Nothing lasts forever. (except for death and taxes)

I wish UH would start preparing for change instead of being “surprised” when a coach has success and leaves. Imagine creating a system where we are constantly scouting and preparing for the next best P5 assistant who is ready to be a HC. No need for ‘continuity’.

We should be marketing to coaches. “Help us move to the next level and we will get you to the next level”


What is the percentage of rape victims just make it up? Do you know?


Baylor settled to avoid a courtroom to show what a bunch of scumbags they are.

Corrupt media…durrrr. It’s always the media’s fault. Following what money? The Baylor paid the media off money?

Briles got 15 million in his settlement. There’s your money.

(Mike Higdon) #24

I was on a jury of a guy suing a hospital. He had also sued the doctor. The doctor’s insurance company settled with the accuser for $100K. After 4 days, our judge made a directed verdict and threw the case out. Had it gone to the jury, it would have been found in favor of the hospital. But, since the insurance company paid, does that mean the guy was right by your standards? No, just that it was more expedient for the insurance company who could then raise the rates on the doctor.

What happened in the case is that the guy went to the doctor who told him he had TB. The doctor received no payment, though he treated the man for months and got the hospital to take the man in for free. The man’s son died of TB and the doctor and hospital were sued for not trying to find out if anyone else in the family was sick and treating them also. I guess he banked on sympathy for all of his and his wife’s crying on the stand, while neither he nor his wife ever took their toddler son to the doctor.

(Mike Higdon) #25

I don’t know, but ever since Potiphar’s wife it’s been going on – probably before.


That’s a sad story completely not applicable to this situation.

52 rapes are alleged to have happened by 31 football players. A district judge refused to dismiss the lawsuit. The title 9 coordinator resigned.

That doesn’t all happen because someone made up a story. Ignore the facts if you must. I trust UH wouldn’t sell its soul to win some stupid football games.

I laugh when people like Weinstein, O’Reilly etc claim to wait for the “truth” to come out on sexual assault claims. Yet, you never hear a peep.

(sphinx drummond) #27

3% lie 100% of the time.


You can’t trust statistics! They are wrong 37.9% of the time.

(Nathan) #29

Nobody has explained to me yet what Art did wrong. Total scapegoat.

(Randy ) #30



There’s lies, damn lies and statistics


Wow! The number of good ole boy comments in this thread… “The guy was nice around me so there can’t be anyyyyyything wrong with him…” Keep your heads buried in the sand and you can ignore anything you want. What happened under his watch was atrocious, plain and simple. Screw him.

(Nathan) #33

The only woman that ever came to him with a claim; he reported the claim to the woman’s coach. He told the woman to go to the police. Doesn’t sound to me like he was trying to cover anything up.


Uh oh, the truth comes out. It seems to me that some folks can’t handle the truth.


Really sad that some are willing to make a Faustian bargain for the potential of a “successful” college football program. I’d even give some leeway for a pro franchise but this is freaking college, where knowledge, truth, and virtues are supposed to be at a premium. And sports are secondary if not tertiary to learning. Who needs facts when delusions and motivated reasoning are just as effective. Although hypothetical, I know I would never let any of these rape apologists come near my daughter. Wow.

Emails and text messages filed as part of the response (the second libel suit was filed by former director of football operations Colin Shillinglaw) reveal that Briles, Shillinglaw, other assistant coaches and even former athletic director Ian McCaw were all tied to a pattern of covering up wrongdoing by arranging cooperation from authorities and legal representation.

Briles’ text messages, some of which can be read below, serve as particularly damning evidence to his claim of ignorance. In 2013, there are multiple examples of Shillinglaw texting Briles about a wide range of player legal incidents.

From the court filing, explaining the “see no-evil, report no-evil system” under which the team operated:

[Pepper Hamilton] found that such player misconduct had been systematically brushed off or kept away from Judicial Affairs - the University body charged with the responsibility of investigating and disciplining student misconduct. The football program was a black hole into which reports of misconduct such as drug use, physical assault, domestic violence, brandishing of guns, indecent exposure and academic fraud disappeared. In all, investigators compiled a lengthy list of such offenses, which had gone largely unknown to the rest of the University.

These cases showed that Coach Briles, Shillinglaw, and certain of his assistants had enabled a culture within the program that treated football players differently by making sure they would not face the normal disciplinary processes and consequences that regular students would have faced. The law firm found evidence that Briles relied on Shillinglaw to line up legal representation for players who had run-ins with the law.

The court filing, obtained and published in full by the Dallas Morning News , tied Briles to numerous disciplinary situations between 2011-15 through his text message interactions and other university documentation. Briles was frequently concerned with making sure that matters weren’t reported to judicial affairs, handled internally depending on the severity of the situation.

On September 13 2013, Shillinglaw sent a text to Coach Briles about a player who got a massage and “supposedly exposed himself and asked for favors. She [masseuse] has a lawyer but wants us to handle with discipline and counseling.” Coach Briles’ first response was “What kind of discipline… She a stripper?” When Shillinglaw said the player made the request at a salon and spa while getting a massage, Coach Briles wrote, “Not quite as bad.”

Another particularly damning example ties Briles, Shillinglaw, McCaw and the Waco police together in the effort to quiet an assault charge.

On September 20, 2013, after a player was arrested for assault and threatening to kill a non-athlete, a football operations staff official tried to talk the victim out of pressing criminal charges. Meanwhile, Coach Briles texted Athletics Director Ian McCaw: “Just talked to [the player] - he said Waco PD was there - said they were going to keep it quiet - Wasn’t a set up deal… I’ll get shill (Shillinglaw) to ck on Sibley (local attorney Jonathan Sibley).” Athletics Director Ian McCaw replied: “That would be great if they kept it quiet!”

Jump to page 14 of the filing for additional examples.

The documents also detail Baylor’s sluggish response and Briles’ knowledge of accusations from alleged victims in the cases of Tevin Elliott, accused of sexually assaulting six women and now in prison for rape, and Shawn Oakman. The school also claimed that “at least six football players had been identified as allegedly participating in gang rapes,” though all six were gone from school by the time the Title IX office got around to conducting its investigations.

It is going to be extremely difficult for another program to justify hiring Briles and those mentioned in the court filling as this news runs in direct conflict with the message that Briles and his former colleagues have been riding ever since the scandal erupted in May.

Since his dismissal, Briles has denied having any knowledge of the numerous alleged rapes and Title IX violations within his program, and he filed the lawsuit because he believed school officials were implying in interviews that he did.

The filing concluded:

Contrary to some people’s belief, Briles was not a “scapegoat” for the University’s larger problems - he was part of the larger problem. So was Shillinglaw. Coach Briles admitted that he was operating an internal disciplinary system outside Baylor’s policies that left their team unaccountable under University procedures. Shillinglaw aided Briles in doing this.

Baylor had no choice but to change leadership - including parting ways with its prized football coach. There is no question that the Regents, after a long self-imposed silence, had to respond with truthful statements to correct the record in an attempt to end the widespread misinformation.

Briles’ decision to drop the suit came less than a week after new revelations about the Baylor program under Briles. A lawsuit filed against Baylor last week alleges that 52 “acts of rape” by 31 Baylor players, including five alleged gang rapes, took place at Baylor between 2011 and 2014. Briles took over the Baylor program in 2008.

The lawsuit also claims the program used sex to sell the program to potential recruits with players arranging for “women, alcohol and illegal drugs” to be available for recruits at off-campus parties.


Calling a coach is the first thing I’d do after a reported assault.


What is disgusting about the Falwell family?


Yeah, why the Falwell hate…

(Christopher) #39

If Houston ever falls in the same sentence as Liberty I think there will be some serious self-reflection needed.

(Mike Higdon) #40

50% of statistics are made up.