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Fair enough. So the NCAA could potentially have a case to prevent the ESPN sponsored playoffs winner from being called NCAA National Champion. Of course UCF faces the same problem, they can’t call themselves NCAA national champions. It will have to be like the old pre-BCS system of AP or UPI national champions.

Of course I am not a lawyer, so I don’t understand the legal basis, but what would give G5 members a strong case to take P5 and ESPN to court.

As a businessman, I see exclusive trade organizations and business partnerships taking place all the time. My own company has exclusive deals with several other companies, which means we trade only with each other for products we produce, even if an outside supplier can offer the same product cheaper, of course this does not happen very often. The partnerships even extend to create long term exclusive contracts with customers.

Every few years these exclusive partnerships are re-examined and can be renewed or modified.

The way I see it, P5 members have come together to form partnerships to sell a product to media companies. The media companies pay P5 more then they pay G5. There is no obligation to pay everyone the same.

There maybe be legal nuances I am not aware of, but as much as I want to see UH in a P5, I can’t see how legal action (or threat there of) can (or is even the right way) to accomplish that.

And say G5 members were able to win their lawsuit against the P5 and media companies, wha then? The P5 (probably under some innocuous sounding new name), will just band together with the media players, and find new ways to exclude anyone they don’t want to partner with.

Any insights from someone with a legal background would be great!

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I’m an attorney, but I’m certainly no collusion expert and the only opinions offered here are really more just thinking out loud. The problem I have with all of this is P5 and G5 are both governed by the same competition rules proffered by the NCAA, but media contracts allow P5s an advantage that cannot possibly be replicated by G5s. While no one can outright pay players (although we all know it’s happening anyway), certain programs are able to generate so much revenue that they can lure players to their program indirectly with money, which makes the NCAA rules almost meaningless. My understanding of the entire point of NCAA competition rules is to create a level playing field and promote the “student” part of the term “student athlete”. As long as P5s are able to enter into lucrative TV contracts and actively exclude G5s, there can never be a level playing field and the so-called promotion of academics is laughable at best. You can’t make all programs accountable to the same competition rules, then give a certain segment of those programs an insanely unfair advantage. I don’t know if there is an actual legal claim there, but the rules of common sense and decency should certainly apply. If you’re going to allow these big TV contracts, then the only way to level the playing field is for the NCAA to implement a cap on how much TV revenue can be funneled into athletic departments. Otherwise, you either have to go full on capitalism and remove the rules, or full on socialism and bring everyone down to a common denominator.

I honestly think it’s time for the NCAA to just go away. It no longer serves any kind of useful purpose. As long as kids like Rob Gray are serving 1 game suspensions for accepting a $5 entry fee into a church rec league during the summer while programs like UNC are able to create fake classes for their athletes to remain academically eligible to play, what’s the point?

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It won’t be a g5 team or group that sues. The issue is they are making false claims about the so called playoff and championship. A consumer group is going to have to file a complaint with the FTC for false advertising and possibly file a federal lawsuit if the FTC turns them down.

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Thanks for your legal take. Basically what you are proposing for a return to the old CFA days when the NCAA collected and distributed all revenues and decided who would be on TV. The result was that on a day when UT was playing OU, and Georgia was playing Alabama, the NCAA approved CFA “game of the week”, on ABC was Hofstra v The Citadel!

The CFA put severe restrictions on how many games a program could have on national or even regional TV. But at least all CFA members got similar payouts from the NCAA. So it’s now surprise that the schools like OU, UGA, UT, Alabama etc were so much against such an arrangement.

There were still haves and have nots, but depended on wealthy alumni support, merchandise sales, Home games ticket sales etc, not on massive TV contracts.

The Big schools and the networks hated arrangement. OU and UGA took the NCAA to court for anti-trust violations and won! (NCAA v. Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma - Wikipedia).

At least for college football, the NCAA has become more and more irrelevant with the passing of time. Now the NCAA is a toothless tiger as far as any rules enforcement is concerned, it can make loud growls, and that’s about all it can do, unless the ‘violator’ is a small program that does not have the backing of the networks, and a P5 conference.

I think it’s only a matter of time before the P5 break away completely from the NCAA. No way the NCAA will risk hastening that day by daring to cap how much revenue a school can put back into athletics. So who will put the cap? Universities voluntarily? Conferences? I don’t think so! Congress? I hope not? Their involvement may seemingly solve one problem, and end up creating 6 other problems!

If the conferences had any moral qualms, Baylor and Penn State would have been kicked out, instead of getting slaps on the wrists. If the NCAA had a backbone, Louisville and UNC would be facing severe penalties, maybe even the death penalty!

The NCAA is on borrowed time! The problem is that we can’t be certain that it’s replacement will me any better. If history is any indicator, the NCAA replacement will be great for the schools that create, terrible for the schools that get left out.

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And this right here is why there is no true NC in college FB. Pretty simple!

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UCF are national champions just as much as Auburn was in 2004.

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And UT is 1970 National Champions. Their 1970 is from UPI! So yeah anyone can claim the championship, all they need is someone to gift it to them.

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How convenient for Mr. Frost to say this now.
Bobby Bowden put it best.

The cartel wants to keep the g5’s down. Shut us up and keep us in the ditch.

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Agreed…not really Frost’s business anymore.

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This is rich coming from a coach that won a national championship without winning their conference or division.

“If you honor and respect the system that we have, (despite) some of the imperfections that you understand that the system has, then you wouldn’t do something out of respect for the system that we have,” Saban told USA TODAY Sports. “I guess anybody has the prerogative to claim anything. But self-proclaimed is not the same as actually earning it. And there’s probably a significant number of people who don’t respect people who make self-proclaimed sort of accolades for themselves.”

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The problem is we do not “respect” the system. Any system that allows a team that not only did not win their conference but did not even win their division in the playoffs is broken. That is why the BCS was replaced and why the playoff as currently constituted needs to be replaced. We need a system that represents all of D1 football not just Alabama.

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Saban knows that the system does not respect anyone but the so-called P5/‘bluechip’ programs. Even more reason that UCF and anyone else not in that crappy elitist club should tell these to eff off before they distort CFB into a 25 team freak show

(obviously got my goat! feeling better now lol)

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“If you honor and respect the system that we have, (despite) some of the imperfections that you understand that the system has, then you wouldn’t do something out of respect for the system that we have,”
Mr. Saban YOU UNDERSTAND IT…WE DON’T. He is equally pompous and full of manure as he is a great Coach. Everybody has flaws. His are pretty obvious.
The P5 scam keeps going and going and going

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Danny White in response to Dennis Dodd’s Pac12 article.

https://twitter.com/UCFDannyWhite/status/996794104045559809

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https://twitter.com/PickSixPreviews/status/996746319690698758

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From a UH grad now working at UCF in response to Saban’s interview:

https://twitter.com/ahulse01/status/996744298572996608

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https://twitter.com/dannykanell/status/996869099358769152

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Thank you for posting Patrick.
Good for him
Interesting that his comments come since he is no longer with the espn empire
It is obvious that there are many voices that are being silenced
Alabama’s presence or others while not “earned” clearly illustrates how the cfp works