Believing in liberty seems to be a pretty big difference then, as if that was all they were to it.
Hitler did look to Jim Crow laws to figure out how to handle the Jewish population.
If the Confederates where around during WW2 they would be on the Axis side
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Then why care if theyâre gone?
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American history
Or you could read one of several thousand books about it.
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Iâve read most of themâŠI had to do it before they all get destroyed
That is a wild projection with very limited probability.
There have been theories about what would have become of the former United States if the Confederacy would have fought for peace and separation from the Union. The Confederacy would have never beaten the Union, best shot would have the Union negotiate for a peace. One of the main reasons for Leeâs strategy to bring the war into the north with the Gettysburg battle which pretty much set the table for the end of the war with Leeâs failed battle strategy.
Probably the most probable theory is that the Union and Confederacy would have re-united and some have the WWs being the catalyst. Slavery was dying during the 2nd half of the 19th century and the 1st quarter of the 20th. See timeline.
Slavery most likely would have burned out in the Confederacy over the next generation if the Union werenât successful with ending it in the United States. Cannot prove that, never will be able to do so, but it was a failed system along with being immoral. The western world pressure to end it would have been in the cards for the Confederacy with the more modern 20th around the corner.
Racism didnât end when slavery did. Jim Crow laws were like apartheid, surely it is clear how the racist ideologue of the confederacy fits with Hitlerâs Germany.
I didnât say racism did. Most of the world has demonstrated racism and still does. But being racist doesnât equate to being a Nazi.
Did you see how alive slavery was around the globe in the 19th century and well into the 20th century and its timeline to burn out? But there was only one Nazi regime. Their alignment with Italy was along Fascism and being anti-communist.
It is far more likely the WWs would have reunited the United States versus having the Confederacy join the Axis Powers. The Axis Powers were primarily anti-communist against the Soviet Union and secondly to keep the USA out of the war. They aligned militarily and economically to deliver global war, but the Nazis and Japan were serving their own interests, not their alliance.
Making a leap that the Confederacy would have joined the Axis Powers 75 years after the Confederacy died is a huge leap without any evidence behind it except for racism which is embedded in mankind.
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it seems obvious to me that the Confedrates align with Nazism and not with the values we fought for in WW2.
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Perhaps it is because when he was governor he was against secession of Texas to join the Confederacy and without him there would not have been a Country of Texas and later a state.
Did you notice on the map that slavery is still in effect in North Africa and in several parts of central Africa?
All those statues of the civil war came from The Daughters of the Confederacy who carried on the myth of the Confederacy into the 20th century. And Sam Houston was against Texas joining the Confederacy. He resign as governor because he knew the whole adventure was doomed from the start.
True, but he also owned several slaves, and, at one point, joined the anti-Catholic/anti-immigrant Know Nothing Party.
He didnât oppose joining the Confederacy because he opposed states rights or slavery; he believed in both.
Rather, he opposed joining the confederacy because he was one of the only Southern leaders at the time that knew that the South WOULD lose the war that was to come and didnât want to see that happen.
Not necessarily.
The Confederacyâs ideology was racist, but not anti-Semitic.
The Confederate government actually had a Jewish cabinet member long before any US administration.
See here.
So while both ideologies were bigoted, they did not precisely align.
The Germans in both WWI AND WWII do owe the Confederacy one debt though. In both World Wars, the Germans took submarine warfare to a whole new level.
It was the Confederates in 1864 that pioneered the technique with âThe Hunleyâ during the Seige of Charleston.
See here.