UNC Scandal(s)


#41

Analysis of UNC-CHeat Academic Fraud

Really solid analysis that shoots down the contentions of the UNC-CHeat response to the NCAA. Everyone from UH should be aware of who they are going up against should a Super Regional eventually pair these two schools. Every shred of athletic success at that institution over the past 30 years was rooted in academic fraud to gain a competitive advantage. All the while they proclaimed their own sainthood for doing things the “Carolina Way.”


(Patrick) #42

Wow! Good read.

Really hoping the hammer comes down on UNC.


(Patrick) #43

A majority of Smith’s department colleagues have signed an open letter asserting that he and his course “were singled out for unprecedented and adverse scrutiny.”

“The suppression of [the course] clearly violates this standard and threatens the university’s reaccreditation,” the letter says. “We see it as a serious infringement of freedom of inquiry, a fundamental feature of intellectual life in every authentic university.” Contrary to some accounts, it adds, “it is clear to us that this was not an autonomous ‘chair’s decision.’”


(Chris) #44

Did you all see this? Here is a video of Jay Bilas, Duke Alum, espn announcer. He thinks that the nccaa violated its own rules and if UNC gets sanctioned UNC will take it to a federal court and win. Did the ncaa do this on purpose so UNC could walk unscathed?


(Patrick) #45

Bills is notoriously anti-NCAA and he’s on ESPN which needs UNC basketball to help launch the new ACC channel soon. I’m not surprised to see his comments, but I don’t agree.

He’s right, it is an academic issue, but if the NCAA can prove that coaches were promising recruits that they’d have an easier time with academics than they would at other schools, then it is also an athletic issue.


#46

Bilas is employed by a UNC-CHeat dominated law firm and by ESPN with a UNC-CHeat alum, John Skipper as its president

Bilas throws out the it’s an academic issue as a simplistic straw man. that statement implies that no academic issues fall under the NCAA’s jurisdiction. If that is true, why do athletes become academically ineligible? Why did the NCAA set up the APR to monitor academic progress of student athletes? Remember UConn being denied participation in the NCAA Basketball tournament a couple of years ago for low APR scores? Wonder if their “progress” would have been better if they had turned in recycled, plagiarized, papers to a department secretary to “grade.”

What the NCAA has said is that they do not determine which courses are rigorous enough to qualify for college credit. They leave that up to individual institutions and to accrediting agencies. I agree with that position. UNC-CHeat has already admitted to their accrediting agency that some these courses constituted academic fraud so the NCAA has merely looked at the institution’s description of what went on. Others were listed as lecture classes taught as independent study classes. The university has a limit on the number of independent study hours a student can count towards a degree. This makes those courses a problem even if you are ok with a department secretary grading the papers.

The next thing you should ask yourselves is whether or not this system would have come into existence and expanded were it not for the purpose of keeping athletes eligible? Something like 56 of the first 60 enrollments in the paper classes were Dean Smith’s players so this wasn’t something that the university started and the athletes took advantage of after finding out about it. UNC-CHeat admitted academic exceptions at a higher rate than any other school in the ACC and never lost a player to academics. They clearly gained a competitive advantage from this.

Jay Bilas is spewing the PR campaign talking points from the CHeats. His hatred for the NCAA has completely warped his opinions on this as have instructions from his bosses.


(Chris) #47

Great points.
By the way when did these bogus classes started and don’t you all think the ncaa should have put the hammer down long ago? Again it is g5 rules and P5 rules.


What year is this? 2017, unbelievable. Not really, the ncaa is capable of anything.


#48

The Wainstein Report I believe acknowledged that they went back to 1992, but there is other paperwork uncovered during all of this that suggests that they started a few years before that.

I see lots of complaints from people about the NCAA taking too long to do something in this case. The NCAA is set up to rely on it’s member institutions to police themselves and self-report violations. They jumped all over Penn State, where I frankly thought they didn’t have jurisdiction, and they penalties got greatly reduced/eliminated because they violated their own processes. They have painstakingly avoided making that same mistake with the CHeats. UNC-CHeat has so much of their worth as an institution tied up in the success of the MBB program and the mythical Carolina Way, that they have taken full advantage of their ability to drag this out as long as possible while complaining about how long it has lasted. They have spent at least $14 million on a PR firm to manage the public spin of the scandal to boot.

Every other institution has faced the music when confronted with violations, but UNC-CHeat is a different kind of place. The NCAA will take a dump in the old well when this is all said and done, but anything short of a five year ban on all competition (death penalty) in every sport where they cheated for 20 years still puts the cost/benefit analysis in the favor of the cheaters. Most schools suffer a one year post season ban anytime there are eligibility issues or academic shady dealings related to a single athlete. Based on that a 10 year post season ban for both football and basketball is the minimum they could face and still be fair to other institutions that have been punished. We all know that won’t happen


#49

Cheaters Just Don’t Get It


(Chris) #50

18 years, the ncaa better have an appropriate sanction but will they?
The P5 is a cartel. Not hammering down uncheat only fuel the argument of an anti-trust issue between the G5 and the P5. Lets see what will come next.


#51

“The issues at the heart of this case are clearly
the NCAA’s business. When a member institution
allows an academic department to provide benefits
to student-athletes that are materially different from
the general student body, it is the NCAA’s bus
iness. When athletics academic counselors exploit
"special arrangement” classes for student-athletes i
n ways unintended by and contrary to the bylaws,
it is the NCAA’s business. When a mem
ber institution provides student-ath
letes an inside track to enroll
in unpublicized courses where grad
es of As and Bs are the norm,
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it is the NCAA’s business. When a
member institution uses “special arrangement” courses
to keep a significant number of student-athletes
eligible, it is the NCAA’s business. When a member i
nstitution fails or refuses to take action after
receiving actual notice of problems involving stude
nt-athletes, thereby allowing violations to
compound and to continue for years, it is the NCAA’s
business. In sum, it is an NCAA matter when
other member schools who choose not to provide imperm
issible benefits are disadvantaged by their commitment to compliance."


#52

The passage is just a part of the NCAA response to the latest cheater tirade. It is going to be ugly for the holes.


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#56

This has been out there for several years. Not an athletic issue because the academic counselors didn’t work for the athletic department. LOL!


#57

This Wednesday and Thursday UNC-CHeat will appear before the NCAA committee on infractions. They are the only institution on earth that has the nerve to assert that a decade of cheating is ok.


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:black_small_square: Don’t expect much in the way of news from this hearing Wednesday. It is closed for a reason: the NCAA infractions process often operates in secrecy. In fact, had UNC not posted a document containing the location of the hearing (It’s at the Gaylord Opryland), the location of the hearing could have remained unknown.





(Chris) #60

“None of the coaches are charged with a violation” How could the Coaches not know? It is obvious that Williams and many others knew. Who are they kidding? The ncaa wants to be credible? They have to go after the Coaches. They lead the Team. Further proof that the ncaa is useless and is an accomplice.