A New Disturbance in the Force

Change of rating to hold.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4589858-deutsche-bank-urgent-risk-assessment-rating-downgrade

  • Given the nature of the Eurozone’s banking environment, Deutsche Bank stock’s risk premium is near impossible to predict. Therefore, we assign a Hold rating to the asset.

So are you smelling any blood yet ?

I still think funds like vfaix and fsrbx may be a potential option for those with longer time lines
(1-2 years) . I favor the vanguard fund more due to size.

I know your an insurance guy, how do you view them right now in terms of stability and as
potential investments ?

They are all in the same boat. Holding billions in bonds that are losing value with every .25 increase.

Insurance companies are not going to have a run like banks. Publicly traded companies will have some bad balance sheets.

Banks have problems when a lot of depositors pull money.

I think you stay away. If you want, buy the guys you know will survive and profit from the carnage like JP Morgan Chase.

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Thanks. My first preference is always to go with a fund in an industry vs trying to pick the winner
in an industry. Too much can go wrong in any one company (no matter the industry) imho. But
buying 3-4 large bank stocks may be an option to consider as well, I just haven’t followed their
stocks closely yet.

It’s time to show Powell the door. He advocated for loosening bank regulations. Now he causing a mess. With his policies

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Advocating loosening of bank regulations seems to have been a mistake. But how much of
todays bank problems are due to that ? I don’t pretend to know a great deal about
the current regional bank issues , but do understand if institutions have over exposure on long
term bond investments; I attribute that it mostly to bad bank management.

On the inflation front, things seem to be going in the right direction and the recession has yet
to appear. The treasury and FDIC response to the bank problems was fast and seems to be having
desired effect…:crossed_fingers:

Basic Info. US Inflation Rate is at 6.04%, compared to 6.41% last month and 7.87% last year. This is higher than the long term average of 3.28%. The US Inflation Rate is the percentage in which a chosen basket of goods and services purchased in the US increases in price over a year.

https://ycharts.com › indicators › us…

US Inflation Rate - YCharts

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/fed-sees-looming-credit-crunch-whats-that-2023-03-24/

From the Capitol Group which runs the American Funds

What the SVB collapse means for investors

March 22, 2023

For more than a year, investors have wondered what might prompt the U.S. Federal Reserve to alter its aggressive rate-hiking path. The collapse of SVB Financial, parent company of Silicon Valley Bank, may have provided the answer.

The demise of the 16th largest bank in the United States has dramatically changed the interest rate outlook for the balance of 2023 — and beyond — as the market ponders how the Fed and other central banks will react to growing turmoil in the sector. With fear of contagion spreading, European banks also have come under pressure, forcing regulators to step in and shore up unsteady financial institutions.

Over the weekend, Swiss banking giant UBS agreed to acquire its longtime rival Credit Suisse for more than $3 billion in a deal encouraged by regulators to help restore confidence in the global banking system.

These rapidly unfolding events have led to an environment where the Fed — unquestionably planning to hike rates just two weeks ago — is now tempering its hawkish tone and may even start cutting rates before the end of the year.

On Wednesday, the Fed increased its key policy rate by 25 basis points, but central bank officials omitted language from previous policy statements referring to the need for “ongoing” rate increases. Moreover, a rapid decline in bond yields over the past two weeks means investors expect the Fed to cut rates as expectations for economic growth and inflation fall, says Pramod Atluri, principal investment officer of The Bond Fund of America®.

“The dislocations we are seeing in the financial markets signal a painful new phase for the Fed,” Atluri says. “We knew there would be consequences to one of the most aggressive tightening campaigns in history. It has clearly exposed some vulnerabilities in the banking system and, as a result, we may be nearing the end of the rate hikes.”

SVB collapse has drastically altered interest rate expectations

The image shows the upward path of the federal funds rate from March 2022 to March 2023, along with the market-implied effective rates as of February 21, 2023, and March 15, 2023, reflecting the view of market participants that rates will be coming down for the balance of the year following the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank and the resulting loss of confidence in the global banking sector.

Sources: Capital Group, Bloomberg Index Services Ltd., Refinitiv Datastream, U.S. Federal Reserve. Fed funds target rate reflects the upper bound of the Federal Open Markets Committee’s (FOMC) target range for overnight lending among U.S. banks. As of intraday, March 15, 2023.

Recession risk on the rise

If investors were expecting a recession this year — and many were — adding a banking crisis into the mix considerably darkens the outlook, says Capital Group economist Jared Franz.

One reason bond yields are falling so quickly is that market participants are now predicting a recession more vociferously than before SVB’s troubles emerged. One strong indicator of that is an inverted yield curve — where the yield on short-term U.S. Treasury bonds is higher than the yield on longer dated bonds.

That’s the most reliable recession indicator we have,” Franz explains.

Inverted yield curve warns of recession risk

The image shows the difference between 10-year and 2-year U.S. Treasury yields from 1987 to 2023. When the values fall below zero, that results in an inverted yield curve, which, historically speaking, has been a reliable predictor of impending recessions.

Sources: Capital Group, Bloomberg Index Services Ltd., National Bureau of Economic Research, Refinitiv Datastream. As of March 17, 2023.

Recessions with a banking sector component are generally worse, on average, than more typical downturns, Franz says. That’s because banks will generally tighten lending standards, which then has a knock-on effect for the rest of the economy as it becomes harder for companies and individuals to get financing. Consumer spending and hiring are also likely to be impacted, he adds, as people save more money and companies announce layoffs.

Franz expects U.S. gross domestic product to decline by roughly 1.5% to 2.0% for the full year, compared to a previously expected decline of 1.0%. “That would still be well below the recessionary pain felt during the global financial crisis from 2007 to 2009, when GDP fell 4.3%, which this is clearly not,” Franz stresses.

What about inflation?

The challenge for the Fed is that inflation remains high. On a year-over-year basis, the U.S. Consumer Price Index stood at 6% in February, far above the Fed’s 2% target. That could put pressure on Fed officials to avoid cutting rates too soon. Instead, they may wait to see how much financial conditions tighten in the months ahead should additional turmoil unfold in the banking sector or elsewhere.

“The Fed still has a battle against inflation they need to wage,” Franz explains. “Ironically, the failure of SVB may help Fed officials accomplish their goal of contracting financial conditions so demand falls alongside inflationary pressures.

“We’re only two weeks into this situation, so it’s tough to say how it will ultimately play out. A lot depends on the regulatory response and whether the contagion spreads to other banks. It’s a fluid situation, and I don’t think anybody has all the answers, but hopefully we are asking the right questions.”

Will Robbins, a Capital Group portfolio manager and former banking analyst, remains confident that the overall health of the U.S. banking system is strong. He believes it will simply take time for the turbulence to subside. Regulators have acted swiftly to contain the panic among regional bank investors, he notes, and larger banks have stepped in to help fund the rescue efforts.

“We’ve been here before,” says Robbins, who has covered the banking industry for more than 30 years. “This is an old-fashioned bank run. It’s going to be messy, and it’s going to take a while to sort things out. But I think we are well positioned to get through it.”

Going forward, Robbins expects to see several actions following SVB’s collapse, including a dramatic tightening of lending standards, stricter regulations for small- and mid-sized banks, and a resulting pressure on their ability to generate healthy profits.

“Longer term, I do think the earnings power of smaller banks will be impaired as a result of falling under the same regulatory regime that large banks were subjected to following the financial crisis,” Robbins says. Those included higher capital and liquidity requirements, periodic stress testing and restrictions on the types of investments banks can employ in their bond portfolios. In general, banks with less than $250 billion in assets have been exempt from such regulations.

Regional banks are under the microscope following SVB collapse

The image shows the top 10 U.S.-based regional banks, ranked by deposit value. They are: PNC Financial with $436.28 billion, based in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; Truist Financial with $413.50 billion, based in Charlotte, North Carolina; Citizens Financial with $180.72 billion, based in Providence, Rhode Island; First Republic Bank with $176.44 billion, based in San Francisco, California; Fifth Third Bancorp with $163.69 billion, based in Cincinnati, Ohio; M&T Bank with $163.51 billion, based in Buffalo, New York; Huntington Bancshares with $147.91 billion, based in Columbus, Ohio; KeyCorp with $142.60 billion, based in Cleveland, Ohio; Regions Financial with $131.74 billion, based in Birmingham, Alabama; and Zions Bancorp with $71.65 billion, based in Salt Lake City, Utah.

Sources: Capital Group, FactSet. Deposit values as of 12/31/2022.

Events are rapidly unfolding, Robbins cautions, so it will be important for investors to continue monitoring the situation.

“Central banks have moved swiftly to try and contain the spread of contagion across the financial system,” Robbins says. “We are still in the thick of it, so we cannot predict the path this will ultimately take.”

[Note: Capital Group’s exposure to certain investments impacted by recent events is available in the right hand column under the “Related resources” category.]

Hear more from Will Robbins:

Is ‘Too Big to Fail’ now a positive?

As with any crisis, this one also presents potential investment opportunities, especially for investors with a long-term horizon.

Large U.S. banks, for instance, are already seeing a massive inflow of deposits as customers switch from regional institutions to the perceived safety of the big four: JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, Citigroup and Wells Fargo.

Likewise, other large companies with strong balance sheets and the ability to fund their own growth should benefit, relatively speaking, from an environment in which it becomes tougher to access capital markets. Big technology and consumer tech companies from Apple to Amazon could once again find themselves the center of attention if interest rates move significantly lower.

“These are the same companies that did poorly when rates were going up,” Robbins explains. “Now there’s an argument to be made that they are still growing in a low-growth environment. They don’t need access to capital to grow. And in many cases they already funded their major capital investments at a time when the cost of capital was much lower.

“So if there’s an expectation that rates are going down, or at least they aren’t going as high as previously thought,” he continues, “growth-oriented companies could be seen as more valuable, particularly the incumbents that funded their growth years ago.”

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Ok lets deal with more bank regulations versus less. The European banks are way more regulated than US banks yet Deutsch and Credit Suisse are major problems and have been for sometime. Hell if there is a F up in banking you can count on those two being front and center.

In terms of the US banking system, it is very sound. Banks have unrealized losses in their bond portfolios. But they have no credit risk in the bond portfolio because they are government bonds.

The only risk they would have is if there is a bank run and they had to liquidate the bonds at a loss to meet the depositors request for their funds. To offset that the Fed has opened the discount window wide open. The fed is creating the liquidity that the bank’s need so they don’t have to liquidate their bonds at a loss. The banks are basically pledging their bonds to the Fed for loans.

There is plenty of liquidity and the banking system is sound.

There would be a problem if the bank’s loan portfolios were cratering like in 08. This is nothing like that.

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I won’t argue about the view on European banks and that they tend to get themselves into trouble. They do. My only note on this assertion is that among many issues, unregulated derivatives are causing growing problems, and US banks aren’t immune, even the big banks, from that kind of risk-taking.

Credit Suisse provided prime brokerage services (along with Nomura, Morgan Stanley, UBS, and Mitsushi UFJ to a much lesser degree) to Archegos Capital Management. Archegos had a significantly leveraged derivative portfolio ($20B lost, in Apr 2021) filled with toxic assets which decreased so much that they were unable to meet their margin call on the premiums and the fund subsequently melted down. The bag of death was passed to all prime brokers, and these various assets had ever-increasing debt. The Archegos deal is so bad that the hedge fund’s president, Bill Hwang, and his former lieutenant, Patrick Halligan, are being brought up on fraud and racketeering charges. The trial starts this October. Also in Oct 2022 a significant amount of funding from the CS wealth management group was exited due to fears of the bank closing.

It’s believed that these toxic derivative contracts haven’t closed, and the premiums have increased since they were taken over. The contracts they are slowly expiring, dragging the contract holders further downward from the premiums. Just to also note, while option calls may have a maximum loss, shorts don’t: their loss is potentially infinite. That said, this belief of taking on Archegos’s portfolio is thought to be why CS was liquidated to UBS, for pennies on the dollar, after the Swiss Central bank provided a $54B bailout: the premiums ate them from the inside. As a result, the Swiss citizens are on the hook for $14k each from this poop show, and even UBS has raised public concerns about the takeover.

In general, investment managers have been betting with unfettered derivatives during a 10-year period of low interest and cheap money were hit by the pandemic wave, which sparked an event of rising inflation (this is highly oversimplified, but my point remains). As we’ve seen in the past, increasing rates are what slow down inflation, but there are so many complex investments out there along with other poor decisions (SVB, etc) thinking low rates and cheap money via QE were back on the menu. They don’t appear to be, and the result won’t be good for a lot of bad bets. I think the financial wave is receding, and we’re about to see more of the issues: perhaps from the likes of Deutsche Bank.

No arguments on the derivatives. The dirty little secret is if push came to shove 95% of bankers wouldn’t be able to explain them to you and they wouldn’t be able explain where the risk is. But they don’t want to look stupid and ask “so walk me through this step by step one more time please”. Same thing with the regulators, they are horrible at overseeing them because they don’t understand them.

Even simple credit default swaps (CDS) have hidden risks that bankers and regulators never talk about.

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I’m a little confused by this statement …” financial wave is receding “ seems like a good thing, but then you say more issues like Deutsche on the horizon ??? Is it “isn’t” or “is”.

The banks just need a liquidity bridge. They have assets (government bonds) that they can’t sell unless they take a loss but eventually they will be paid in full on these assets. So the Fed has stepped in and is doing the right thing, they are providing working capital to the Banks.

Bank borrowing from Fed facilities stabilizes | American Banker

There is a lot of mysticism when the Fed is discussed. The Fed is a bank, it is the bankers bank. Nothing more mysterious than that. Like any bank they provide loans, in this case they are providing loans to banks (most of the time they are providing loans to the federal government).

The banking system is very sound. If the banks had a ton of toxic assets, it would be a completely different story.

What WILL happen is the banks will shrink their loan portfolios to gain a little more liquidity. The way they do that is simply quit making more loans and collect on their outstanding loans. This basic fact will for sure put the economy into a recession. Probably in 6-12 months as it takes time for the effect of banks slowing down their lending to hit the economy. But it is coming.

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To understand derivatives you must understand the foundational asset that the derivative is built on.

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I blame all this on Phil Gramm. Until he orchestrated the repeal of Glass Stegall, bank issues were rare. Of course, butthead earned a cushy gig out of it, just like Jack Fields did getting the Telecommunications Bill through.

The current CDS issues are with commercial property where lease holders have stopped making payments since COVID.

Old story, but still valid: Whistleblower: Wall Street Has Engaged in Widespread Manipulation of Mortgage Funds — ProPublica

Edit, new post: Remote-work trend creates mortgage-backed securities default risk, Moody's warns

My comment is a nod to a saying by Warren Buffett made in bear market times: Only when the tide goes out do you see who’s been swimming naked. Meaning, that when we’ve had an unprecedented bull market since 2008, everyone looks like a genius. Now that the party is over and progressively gotten worse (can’t rely on better months to make up for or push bad investments out into the future), we’ll see who the idiots are.

Duetsche Bank is lost their tuchas on Thursday and Friday off this week: there’s concern of their liquidity and safety, so their 5 year CDS is skyrocketing much like Credit Suisse did the last two weeks.

Charles Schwab ($SCHW) Credit Default Swaps (CDS) spiking, too — those who will allow you to offload Schwab credit default risk want to be paid more.

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This German website gives daily updates of CDS amounts by big bank (skews European):

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Supposedly Capital One is have surging CDS as well.

I’ve seen movie and I don’t like the ending! :sob::sob::sob:

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And now for some good news — all this turmoil has not been able to keep the S&P 500 below it’s 200 day moving average (blue line). This could very quickly change, but that’s some strength, IMO.


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