Please keep this to economy.
The evidence above shows you and Chris trying to move the goal posts
to China’s energy production or slave labor and morality of it.
I’ve tried to stay on topic by pointing out a large percentage of Walmart, Target, Loews, and Home Depot’s inventory comes from China. Prices there will be impacted as well .
And I haven’t resorted to calling people propagandist. Something Chris seems
to know a thing or two about.
I don’t pay that much for 16/20 shrimp. Yes, I would pay for wild caught shrimp. I don’t want foreign fish or shrimp.
I also order fish from Alaska. That compliments my own caught fish.
Since all you seem to care about is price, enjoy your farm raised fish & shrimp filled with antibiotics and God knows what else, possibly, dioxin.
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What did you just do?
Were you a business school major NRCoog? These tariffs are long overdue, decades overdue.
For years in business school we were taught about ethics. Ethics this and ethics that was a weekly occurrence. At the same time the ccp was making deals with D.C. and the E.U. to make it easier to manufacture products in China. All of these “deals” resulted in the fleecing of the U.S. and European manufacturing industry. Entire vibrant towns became ghost towns because of it.
Go to Georgia
Go to Tennessee
Go to Wisconsin
Go to Michigan
Go to West Virginia
Go to Pennsylvania
The same cane be said to European manufacturing hubs.
These decisions have/had consequences. There is a term called dumping.
When you have slaves and that is a fact friends, manufacturing goods it becomes more than an ethics issue.
Your responses tell us that you want to “sweep away” history. You can’t millions have lost their jobs because of unfair manufacturing practices. Our trade imbalance with China is the clearest example of these same unfair manufacturing practices. Looking the other way telling us that goods will cost more is ignoring what I previously stated.
Do we need to go into stealing industry secrets?
On another note, our universities have sold out to Chinese companies controlled by the same ccp. That should have never happened. This fact is directly linked to the economy. When you steal intellectual properties without consequences it becomes a national security issue. The two are intertwined.
By your own reasoning you want to let China exploits us even though you know China is not “playing” by the rules. You can’t have it both ways.
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But everyone choosing and buying cheaper products also contributed to this.
Why go after the consumer? Re-read what I posted. We let these leaders to be bought out. Now we have to correct it. We have no choice. All Universities getting money from China have to be under the microscope. National security depends on it. Remember the Chinese Houston consulate fires?
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Oversimplification to claim all I care about is price.
But on a thread about economics, yes price is the thing consumers care about a great deal.
Getting off topic, but I generally try to avoid farm raised seafood; but in reality it’s almost
impossible to avoid when eating out.
I was (multiple degrees) and couldn’t disagree more that any tariffs were overdue.
The tariff decisions do too. And we are living them.
I hope a deal comes soon or this isn’t going to end well. I suspect it will.
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I think people should have the freedom to choose. That’s what a free market is all about.
I’m not a fan of things getting in the way of that.
Good, now could not disagree more that tariffs are overdue? Then why were lectured over and over about ethics when our very own were bought out facilitating manufacturing going to China?
This trade imbalance did not come by surprise when at the same time manufacturing towns were going bankrupt. You do not let us sell into your country on equal footing? You have no business selling your goods in our country. That is simple enough to understand.
I don’t worry about trade imbalances. I have a trade imbalance with my local grocery store. That’s because I don’t want to grow my own food.
I’m happy with that imbalance. It benefits both of us. Everyone wins. Same thing happens between countries.
We disagree here and that’s fine.
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It is not free market if it is a one way commerce. We have a choice to make. Do we want National security or not?
byb is today’s example. They manufacture products by enslaving their workers. Workers have no choice to accept these jobs having moved from their rural areas. The example of a sweat shop did not originate in Kansas but China. China has a major trade imbalance with us. Why do you even think that it is possible? It is by design.
We let byb sell their cars here? Detroit becomes a ghost town overnight. The auto factories will close down within weeks. These same factories that are essential for our own defense. Remember during WWI who built tanks, arms, ammunitions etc…
China does not like it because they know what is at stake. You play fair or you do not. That is as simple as that. The Chinese economy is on the brink of disaster due to real estate artificial pricing. They have to make a deal. They do not have a choice. xi’s future depends on it. They are trying to save face but expect a deal.
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If we were only targeting one country and products that we need for national security, I could buy that.
That’s not what we are doing. You have some points that make sense but the tariffs go FAR beyond that.
This isn’t only about the Chinese. That’s one piece of very broad tariff actions.
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Benefits both of us?
Tell that to the Detroit auto worker, to the North Carolina, N.E. fabric workers, U.S. solar panel industry. The examples are endless.
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Yes, benefits both of us. You can pick winners with tariffs but the consumer loses. We are the consumers. The examples are indeed endless.
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The same group of people who said it was not cost effective to manufacture in the US and sent jobs overseas now wants to lecture Americans that tariffs are needed to bring those jobs back.
Like somehow with the snap of the fingers manufacturing and the necessary supply chains to support it will just magically pop up over night.
I believe tariffs are effective when used surgically and in specific instances. Used in a way with long term incentives for businesses to invest and build the plants and infrastructure needed, but there is none of that. There is no plan. If there was you do not impose tariffs on an island full of penguins.
The administration complains about the USMCA deal, that it’s so unfair, that is the deal he brokered. He withdrew from the TPP and now says see, look at what other countries are doing working together.
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You misses the point. These tariffs are brilliant. By doing so we have put China in the corner. Their economy is not a consumer economy. That is the essence of this strategy. China does not exist without selling their goods to us.
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I’m all for this. That’s not what we are doing.
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I’m missing no points. But feel free to continue lecturing me. I know you’re the expert here.
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Another missed point. You either respect a contract or you do not. You do not respect the contract? You have to withdraw. You have no choice but to have a new contract.
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