Yes, anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.
And you would be more correct than law has been today, saying otherwise
I am less confident about this. Thereâs definitely a lot of opportunistic anti-semites looking to turn one into the other, just as there are zionists looking to conflate the two.
The pretzel logic displayed here is mind boggling. If you deny the existence of the ONLY Jewish nation on the planet (Zionism) you are by definition being anti-Jewish/anti-Semitic. I see nobody denying any other country their right to exist. Only the Jewish one.
What kind of Nation is America?
A white nation?
A mexican nation?
A budhist nation?
Grifters such as Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, or Nick Fuentes are a seperate problem (more of a side effect of capitalism).
I wouldnât use those pundits as the measure of antisemetism in America.
They are making money off of viewpoints that the majority cannot make money from
I would consider it a Christian Nation, but just like Israel, we both have freedom of religion. What is your point?
Huh? Anti-Semitism has to be measured now? And itâs all because of capitalism? Unbelievable. You have totally lost the plot.
Itâs not just the grifters. Peep the comment section of like, any piece of media associated with an openly Jewish person that doesnât take a strong and active anti-Israel stance and youâll see quite a lot of deeply vile content.
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The United States is absolutely NOT a Christian Nation.
And the fact that you say that in my opinion, completely discredits your opinion overall. You cannot âconsiderâ the US a Christian nation, and therefore; suggest that Israel is a Jewish state therefore has unfounded right to exist due to the fact.
âCongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereofâŠâ
Itâs the first clause of the First Amendment.
In that case, then perhaps Nick Fuentes is genuine because he was anti-Jew far prior it was a profitbale stance to take within the political influencer economy
The others? They didnât start their Anti-Israel rhetoric until 10/7.
Internet comments and public display are two different things
Thereâs lots of racism and sexism in comment sections too.
The N-Word was flying all over the place back when I played in Modern Warfare 2 lobbies in 09-2010
And a lot of the people throwing around the N word in COD lobbies were legitimate racists using internet anonymity as cover, too. There are a lot of racists and sexists. Itâs a really basic motte-and-bailey strategy. Itâs a core part of the playbook for bigots of all stripes.
I never said otherwise. However, the majority of Americans are Christian. But again, youâve lost the plot.
Saying the USA is a âChristian nationâ means that the nation has a super-majority of professed or self-identified Christians.
Itâs no different than saying Turkey is a âMuslim nationâ because it has a super-majority of professed or self-identified Muslims.
Both are factually correct statements in that regard.
And those statements are factually correct EVEN THOUGHâŠ.BOTH nations are officially secular and, at least in theory/officially have a separation of religion and government.
Now then, Turkeyâs separation of mosque and state has somewhat eroded under Erdogan.
But thatâs a separate conversation.
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When you try to overly broaden the definition of and use anti-semitism to justify horrible acts you make it more likely people will ignore actual acts of anti-semitism.
People have done similar things with racism and sexism, have they not?
I know this is long, but please read it. This is really directed at the people who claim anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. As I have tried to state, you cannot separate Zionism from Judaism. This rabbi explains it much better than I ever could. I put some of the text in bold letters.
Antizionism Is Not Normal, Nor Should We Normalize It
Rabbi Menachem Creditor
I am a child of the Jewish Theological Seminary.
List College, class of 1997. The Davidson School, 2002. The Rabbinical School, 2002. My father walked those halls. My sister did too. My familyâs story, like that of so many American Jews, is braided into the sacred mission of JTS since its founding in 1886. My family dried pages of books, one by one, from water damage after a fire ravaged the JTS library stacks in 1966. So for me to speak of JTS is not to speak of an abstraction. It is to speak of a living covenant between generations of Jews who believed that Torah, peoplehood, and the Land of Israel are inseparable threads of an enduring, unbreakable fabric.
So let us speak plainly.
The decision by JTS to honor President Isaac Herzog as a commencement speaker is not a betrayal of Jewish values. It is an affirmation of them.
The recent controversy, amplified beyond all proportion, tells us far more about the current moment than it does about JTS. Six graduating seniors signed a letter opposing Herzog. Six. Twenty-four, four times as many, signed in support. Four JTS rabbinical students, none of them even graduating this year, added their names to the protest letter. This is not a groundswell. It is not a generational rupture. It is a small but loud dissent that is being misrepresented as something larger, something normative.
It is not.
And we must not pretend otherwise.
JTS has never been neutral about the Jewish story. Nor should it be. From its earliest days, shaped by figures like Rabbi Sabato Morais, himself heir to the trauma of Iberian exile, the Seminary understood what too many now forget. Jewish survival without sovereignty is fragile. Jewish dignity without a homeland is contingent. Jewish learning untethered from Jewish peoplehood is incomplete.
Zionism was not an ideological add-on to Judaism. It was from its inception and remains its historical and spiritual unfolding.
To deny that is not nuance. It is willful amnesia.
There is a dangerous confusion taking root in parts of our community, a claim that one can stand within the tradition of serious Jewish learning while severing Judaism from Zionism. That one can graduate from institutions built on the covenantal relationship between people, Torah, and land, and then declare the Jewish state a moral aberration.
This is not intellectual courage. It is a rupture with the very foundations of Jewish existence.
No serious student of Jewish history can miss the pattern. From the destruction of Jerusalem to the expulsions of Spain and Portugal, from the ghettos of Europe to the ashes of the Shoah and the Shavuot 1941 Farhud in Iraq, Jewish vulnerability in exile is not theoretical. It is the central fact of our past. The founders of JTS did not need to debate the necessity of Jewish self-determination. They carried its urgency in their bones.
And now, in a moment when Israel is under sustained assault, militarily, morally, rhetorically, we are told that honoring the President of the Jewish state is somehow beyond the pale.
No.
As current junior at JTSâ List College Noah Lederman put it, âcommencement is not a âsafe space.â It is a sacred space. It marks the transmission of responsibility from one generation of Jewish leader to the next. To invite the President of Israel is to remind graduates that their learning is not detached from the fate of our people. It is bound up with it.
President Herzog does not represent a political party. He represents the State of Israel and the Jewish people. To refuse to hear him is not an act of conscience. It is a cowardly refusal to engage the complicated reality of Jewish sovereignty itself.
We can and must debate policies. We can and must wrestle with moral complexity. That is what Torah demands of us. But there is a line, just as rooted in the Torah and tradition, that must not be crossed. When critique becomes a denial of Israelâs legitimacy, when it echoes the language of those who seek not reform but eradication, it ceases to be Jewish discourse.
It becomes something else.
Let us be honest about the stakes. In a world where antisemitism is resurging with terrifying clarity, antizionism offers a convenient vocabulary through which ancient hatreds can be reframed as moral virtue. When Jews lend their voices to that project, even in the name of justice, they do not purify it. They legitimize it.
We dare not offer that gift.
Zionism is not political preference. It is the modern expression of ancient covenant. It is the insistence that Jewish life, Jewish memory, and Jewish destiny require a home in the world. To strip Judaism of that commitment is not to refine it. It is to hollow it out.
JTS knows this. It has always known this.
That is why it sends its rabbinical students to study in Israel. That is why Israel remains central to its mission. That is why honoring the President of Israel at commencement is not controversial in any deep sense. It is consistent.
The real danger is not that a handful of students dissent. Dissent has always been part of our tradition. The danger is that we begin to treat antizionism as just another legitimate Jewish position, one among many, equally rooted, equally valid.
It is not.
Antizionism is not normal. Nor should we normalize it.
To the graduates of JTS, I say this with love and with urgency: You are heirs to a tradition that refused to disappear, that commits to a Jewish evolutionary tradition. You are beneficiaries of generations who dreamed not only of surviving, but of returning, rebuilding, renewing Jewish life in its fullness, the deepest meaning of three words that have become, once again, defiance: Am Yisrael Chai!
Do not be the generation that forgets why that dream mattered.
Stand in the fullness of your inheritance. Study deeply. Argue fiercely. Care about justice. But never sever yourselves from your people. We were once denied our national identity as the cost of emancipated thinking. Do not imagine that Judaism can be disentangled from the reality of Jewish sovereignty without losing something essential, something irreplaceable, something necessary.
Zionism is not an accessory to Jewish identity.
It is one of its core expressions.
And JTS, in honoring the President of the State of Israel, is not betraying its mission.
It is fulfilling it.
And this was absolutely appalling.
https://x.com/senfettermanpa/status/2052027290578526216?s=46&t=UAL83_A-CXvror8kdGXgQg
@TheMandell , any justification for this?
How is this NOT anti-Semitic?