Offset or dollar for dollar ?
Iâm pretty sure.
Our company has a defined pension plan, and when
you reach your full retirement age (FRA), your pension
is reduced by a small amount. Itâs what Ive been told by retirees I know. When I ask them about it,
most say it was not much of a reduction and not $ for $ or the amount of SS they receive.
If you do whats best, then raise the wages, I promise you there are plenty of college educators who are begging to get out of teaching college currently.
As goofy and cliche as it sounds, phrases like âmoney talksâ and âhush moneyâ exists for a reason. Now, a bunch of Gen Eds in the hard science realms can go get bent, cause we all know throwing more money at that is going to do nothing. Throwing money at graduate level educators to pursue teaching 7-12 might help. Otherwise, it is hard to beat not having to deal with parents, a singular department chair, being able to walk into a 10 o clock class, draw on a white board for a few hours, and back in your car by 1 pm, and make almost as much as a high school teacher if you grind enough or more if you snag a full-time position and teach at a second college.
And that is just one reason out of many at why high school is a tough sell. At-large, its easier to get hired full-time as high school, that is about it. Iâd be real picky at the district you choose as well, as some are nightmares and entirely out of control.
Also, no one mentioned at-risk in this conversation. You can make 67-75 k teaching at-risk, but go right ahead, as the ISD that youâll usually find those in, begin with the letter âHâ
Well Iâm on military retirement, and it doesnât cut into either my social security or any civilian retirement I might have.
I can collect all three in full.
Too bad troops that entered after 2018 wonât get the same deal.
SigEp:
That unrestricted 10 PTO days that you refer to is an extremely unusual benefit for school teachers.
I have examined teacher benefits around the country.
God forbid in my town, except under extremely limited exceptions, you use a sick day (not PTO) for something other than being sick, you will be standing tall before the man.
Yep, military benefits are great. Not everyone has those though.
That 10am start time is big for me. I am rarely very coherent at 7:30 in the morning since I stay up and grade till 2am.
Not to mention K-12 needs to hold parents accountable for their students. At the college level, I rarely deal with parents, and in some cases, can tell them I canât talk to them about their adult students.
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Iâm spent my life in diverse employments from accounting to restaurant management to teaching school to HR executive (donât ask how all of that happened). Teaching school was the hardest. Iâm always amazed by people who think itâs an easy job. They have never been a teacher. Oh yeah, Iâm also a veteran who thinks that every American should be required to perform some type of community service. (I guess that makes me some kind of socialist or something).
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A lot of discussion about teachers and their pay, benefits, how they are treated, etc. which is all true but there is another serious problem that is mentioned in the thread title.
Kids today, or their parents, are spending enormous amounts of money on educations that produce nothing, provide nothing and after they graduate many end up getting a job that they could have obtained without whatever degree they spent so much money and time getting.
Why does it take days to get an appointment with an A/C man? Plumber? Electrician? It is because we have a shortage of skilled workers that are not trained in the essential jobs that run our economy.
I propose one solution is bring back the Civilian Conservation Corps. Out of high school kids could help rebuild our infrastructure, clean up and beautify our country and help build homes amongst many other things that are currently being neglected.
Instead our youth are programmed to get rich quick and obtain a BMW as quickly as possible.
I like that idea.
I think there is something to be considered about shortages in plumbers, electricians, etc⊠The big push is metrics and testing in schools so that students âmust be college readyâ I very much disagree. By telling students they must go to college and that trade schools are not good is a huge disservice. Students should be taught that a trade is a very important type of career too and should be respected. Not everyone is the type for college or careers that need college.
Maybe this could help at the K-12 level if they taught students for a career not necessarily just for college.
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I was looking at aquatics and marine managment with the state, lot state and wildlife jobs paying fat and âwillingness to learnâ. Not the billboard jobs, but they are everywhere and need young bodies.
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I remember in high school there was a âcollege dayâ , when many of the universities in the state
would setup in different classrooms with presentations and materials about their school. Probably
need to have a trades day too with like presentations and equipment setup that can be brought in.
And pamphlets with facts about the trade,
Somewhere in the 11th or 12th grade an aptitude and interests test should be given that would
help advise and guide students about their post HS options.
Of course parents want their kids to have a college education and white collar jobs. I want
that for my kids too. But Iâm already seeing in one of them where a trade school might be a better
option.
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An aptitude test about the beginning of 11th grade would be really nice.
Germany does that only at an earlier age; I think itâs like 14 or 15. They segment students into divisions, including those who study general education courses and those who go to vocational school. To me, that definitely seems the best way to do it. We are trying to fit too many square pegs into round holes. And some of that is probably due to the status we attach to work in the U.S. You donât see that as much in Europe.
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Actually a much better looking young lady in the hotel school. She was President of the student association
Outstanding post Uhsigep96. I am sorry for your loss. Prayers to you, your wife and your family.
You made fantastic points all around. There is also another point that keeps coming up. It is about money. I keep reading that teachers do not get paid enough money.
Let me ask you the question that no one wants to ask.
Why do you want to become a teacher knowing this will never get you financially rich?
There are riches that are far and beyond what money can bring. I am not poor, I live within my means and it is lovely. I stopped keeping up with the Jonesâs when I found out how unhappy they truly were.
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This is why we rank behind other industrialized nations. Because we test everyone. Everyone is supposed to do high level math and no one is supposed to weld.
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