As if just pushing it to the tipping point is a full proof strategy. Who in the US led the fight to ignore and deny this reality 20 years ago and who pushes their reps to further the cause of denialism right now? Yeah, the supposed greatest country on earth cannot even take a resolute leadership role in this and instead has half the country imitating an ostrich.
Micro level causes. Thatâs hilarious.
Itâs called RESULTS.
Then show us the ones that donât agree and have quality evidence to say CO2 increases are not the result of manâs activities. And oh yes, CO2 levels donât have a MAJOR impact on global warming either.
Itâs TOP25âs brother.
Can you please share the link to the deforestation graph you posted?
Yeah, they pretty much do. Youâre free to disagree with the overwhelming consensus, but I think I will go with the actual climatologists.
âThe consensus on anthropogenic global warming has grown to 100%.â
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0270467619886266
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Thank you for that.
I see now that 51âs graph came from a 2016 paper and they were using data up to 2009.
Thatâs fine by me, and I see the Amazon data now aligns in my mind with your graph too.
And these are graphs of the rate changes. Deforestation still continues just not an increasing rate in the Amazon. And itâs true that all the previously lost forests are a net loss in CO2 sink capacity.
I should also note that your graph deals only with the Brazil portion of the Amazon and not the
other 7 Amazon countries.
According to JRC data, the Amazon has lost more than 35,000 km2 of intact humid forest in 2022, due to deforestation and forest degradation, which constitutes an increase of almost 15% compared to 2021. The trend for 2023 is slowing down, at least for Brazil, as deforestation in the Brazilian Amazon has decreased by almost 50% in the first 10 months of the year.
However, the eight countries that share the Amazon region donât show uniform trends of forest cover change; while e.g. Venezuela showed a sharp decline over the past two years, Boliviaâs rain forests are under great pressure since a few years, forest disturbances (i.e. deforestation and forest degradation) have risen almost 40% in 2022.
My conclusion from all this is that we have significantly less CO2 absorption capacity from the tropics since 1980 ( yeah , I know, brilliant deductionđ€Ș). We are not winning in reducing CO2
in the atmosphere.
Itâs a problem for sure. Iâm just showing the data doesnât tell the story as tightly as originally indicated.
Iâm not sure having the rainforests fixes our problem either although it obviously would help.
Coal, natural gas, and oil: 34%
Industry: 24%
Agriculture and deforestation: 22%
Transportation: 15%
Buildings: 6%
Ford just put profits over environment, they are committed only if it doesnât lose them money.
Speaking of global warmingâŠtoday was the coolest high temperature for July 26 ever recorded for Houston. 80 degrees.
Itâs been a mild summer (so far) for this part of the country
Itâs been mild the last couple of weeks. It wasnât before that.
Weather and climate are not synonymous.
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Bingo
Indeed, humans are made of carbon. So, which ones will be targetedâŠ
That is the conundrum of dealing with climate change. People, companies and countries are always going to do what is in their best interest.
So if you want to replace fossil fuels you have to have a cleaner product that is better than the fossil fuel alternative. If you have something that isnât better and cheaper, you can have all the mandates and tax incentives in the world and it is not going to work. It will be money wasted with no tangible benefit.
The other conundrum is the developing nations donât give rip about what they see as a rich country problem. They donât give a damn if New York and London are underwater.
Counterpoint would be LED vs incandescent bulbs. Pretty sure they were not cheaper at first.
Government can be made to work for the greater good, but many times that creates disruption to
existing established industries as things transition.
Same as it ever was for US automakers. Where would we be without government demending efficiency and safety improvements over the last 5 decades? From safeglass to airbags to mpg improvements theyâve all kicked and screamed while being forced to offer higher quality.
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The government subsidizes stuff all the time. Sometimes itâs to get it going, others to keep it going.
Same with mandates. Not that I agree with any EV mandates (which actually donât exist at this point) in the US buta