OT: Tennessee QB Holds Out for New NIL Deal

LMAO, really? As if boosters (who are often scrupulous and delusional to begin with) could ever be expected to be ethical in the first place.

I mentioned it in the basketball specific thread, but the NIL could NEVER work. There was a reason the NCAA strictly forbid paying players as they always knew boosters would circumvent rules and take advantage of any openings. Allowing players to be employed off campus would simply invite boosters to hire athletes for BS jobs, and overpay for any work they MIGHT have done. These “NIL” deals? They aren’t being paid for “image and likeness”, they are straight up getting paid to choose a college.

Ed O’bannon’s initial case should have been thrown out as he only filed his case once he was flat ass broke. He was only looking for a way to enrich himself despite not only (likely) not having an actual issue with the video game, but clearly benefitting from the exposure created for the NCAA. But once they did hear the case, they created a contradiction in making it about money the NCAA “was making off the backs of kids”. If that were the case, which it actually was, the answer was to force the NCAA or, more specifically, the schools, coaches, and leagues themselves, to create limit the profitability and greed by those entities and individuals. That ruling, and the BS lawsuits that following, paved the way to what we are seeing today. Sadly, the “answers” to those issues was never paying the players. Why? Now you are COMPLETELY getting way from college athletics and making these “pro” teams. And if they are pro teams, why should schools even have their names on them? Why should players even go to school. The entirety of college athletics starts to fall apart.

What’s lost in all of this, and what has been in those arguments, is that the players benefit GREATLY from the exposure college sports creates. Without the fanfare, tournament and exposure, would a player like Bennet Stirtz, EVER be on the NBA radar? Nobody is preventing players from going pro, which completely destroys the ridiculous anti-trust arguments and rulings. The NCAA/college sports structure is no more prohibitive than the MLB, NBA, or NFL are. And the idea of amateur athletics exists and is accepted at the high school level. So, is it just about players being adults? If not, then why are high schools allowed to have teams? Why aren’t those players paid? We all know the answer to those questions.

The reality is college players should never be paid. Why? There is no end to that problem as what determines who gets paid and by how much? If it’s based on “worth” and “demand”, is it discriminatory that women’s athletes won’t get paid as much? Also, when the pressures to remain competitive inevitably divert more and more dollars away from non-revenue sports, what happens to those sports and athletes? When those get dropped, doesn’t that create more discriminatory arguments? It simply doesn’t work.

The sad part is this was all predictable. Boosters simply “want to win” and are showing they will do so at all costs. Now more than ever the players are being used as pawns by the boosters, agents, and the teams they play for. The ultimately irony? The very thing that made college ahletics popular
athletes that played for a school, played for 2-4 years, and allowed fans to develop affinities is jeopardized. Now, what is the difference between college and professional athletics? And are fans really okay with this model? I think viewership, should things remain as they are, will begin a steady decline, thus decreasing value, viewership, and ironically the money that made it all possible.

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If he made a deal he should be expected to stick to it. If he wanted to maximize his value, annually, sign for a “one year deal”. From my understanding, he signed an 8 million dollar deal for the entirety of his Vols career. Sorry, but if I was his teammate or a fan, I’d expect him to stick to it.

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FWIW, apparently Tennessee has already told Nico they’re not giving him anymore money.

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Yes really
 Not sure why you act surprised as you post right in the next line that they are not ethical. PS. I think you want unscrupulous.

Um yes again. NIL deals are the problem and they are from boosters and fans. NIL as intended would work fine, but it is exploited.

Did not quote the rest. Do you have cliffnotes version?

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Ask anyone in military who served on front line about risk
 poor poor football player.

Yet the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB all limit pay for balance of power in teams.
True NIL (ie. endorsements and actual commercials) is the only thing not limited
under the table never came close to the current dollars

Genetics also has something to do with it. Not all are great role models of work ethic.

Agree with this sentence

This is a business so Tenn should fire him!

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NIL was always going to be abused when it was sufficiently greenlighted and there weren’t effective guardrails. Literally a case study in unconstrained free market capitalism. Need reasonable guardrails.

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Yes, I have always said that NIL needed to be enforced as NIL and have rules in place. People keep arguing against me on it and say it can’t be done.

Just wait until the neighborhood kid bails on his local school cause they can’t meet the demands and he goes crosstown cause someone gives him NIL -

Again - I want to meet the people in these collectives and just ask them if you wanna give away free money there are tons of homeless folks who can do Better with it than these entitled kids

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What about all other scholarship students. 
how do we regulate what they can/ can’t make, outside of their scholarship, for their worth to the marketplace?

Yes, that is the can of worms we are opening.

Do you want to tell a student, on theater scholarship, that they are capped in making money for appearing in tv shows/movies or a gifted science student, on scholarship, is capped from making presentations/appearances or how about a top budding lawyer, on scholarship,
do we want to cap their worth to the marketplace
while attending law school.

This is bigger that athletics
we finally gave student athletes the rights to earn, just like every other scholarship student, and now we want to cap their right because they have too much valve in the marketplace!!!

Are we in the United States of America or cimmunist China?

Now I 100% agree that the motives of donors should be questioned, especially those who get zero ROI other than throwing money at their school’s players.

It’s not the nature of sports contracts to be honored. Professional athletes do this all the time, as do college coaches.

As @coachv stated, I don’t like it either, having lived in the pre NIL era. But I can’t
see it going back, since the players are the key ingredient. It is what it is - they are
professionals at this point. Salary caps may be the only thing that can be implemented across the college league.

As to the tension in the locker rooms, yeah that’s a problem too. Going to have
to have base level salary, which I believe is being addressed now with the coming settlement.

If enough people turnoff the game and stop buying tickets, the system would collapse and a new NCAA could be started. But neither of those things are happening. Either enjoy it for what it is, or get a new hobby or activity to enjoy.
And I’m on the fence too about all of it.

But they arent
we just had huge ratings for March Madness and the Championship game
and that was in the NIL era and devoid of Cinderella stories

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That already happens in high school ball.

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There it is. Tennessee told him to hit the portal

https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1911051704935596510?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

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With a name like Iamaleava = “I am a leave a” = adios my friend (by coach Josh Heupel)

Wonder if Memphis might introduce him to rap artist “50 Cent” (by coach Ryan Sillverfield)

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Like it or not with N.I.L. it means these college athletes are now pro athletes. They are not paid by the Universities but by boosters.
In 2010 Cam Newton went to the highest bidder and went to Auburn for a reported $300k to $400k. In today’s money you can add between $145k to $160k. Yes big sum of money were being handled under the table before N.I.L.
If someone wants to pay XYZ for your services more power to him/her.
Remember friends it always take two to tango. Don’t blame the QB.

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There have been those that say this is the same as when we see a professional player holding out for a new contract. No, it’s not.

A professional player holding out wants to renegotiate his player’s contract. Think of a Texans player signing an endorsement contract. He wins league MVP. Now, he wants to renegotiate his endorsement contract. Does he sit out practice because they won’t renegotiate his endorsement contract? This is an student/athlete wanting to renegotiate his NIL contract.

This was destined to happen. We are going to see NIL contracts with different clauses in it. Performance clauses. perhaps not sitting out bowl games. Perhaps that you cannot transfer to another school or forfeiture clauses if certain goals are not met. Now, if he wants to argue that the NIL is really pay to play, that really blows out the argument of what NIL really is. Of course, we all know what NIL is, it is pay for play, but there was always some level of plausible deniability.

Not quite. The student player can be paid? He is now a pro student athlete. Moreover you can be sure that ncaa athletes will one day be able to play as long as they go to school.

Agree with that 100% in the big money deals; mom and pop local
business small $$$ it is True NIL.

NIL is the only money paying contract they have now, so yes in my view, it’s same
as professional contract. But take heart, salaries with contracts with the schools
is about to be rolled out. Those contracts will probably have many clauses in them.

Future NIL contracts will have clauses in them too, as you say, with guarantees to both parties.

Concept of student/athlete is a relic of bygone era for football and basketball. For
other college sports it still lives on to some degree.

Yes they have already clauses in them but the minute the ncaa puts restrictions on them a lawsuit(s) will come up and rightfully so.
The so called amateur athletes never existed. This has always been a myth. Sure some sports athletes were not paid prior to N.I.L. but we all know why some athletes ended up a certain schools. This has been going on for decades. Some schools got caught and some did not or paid off the ncaa figure heads to look the other way. Again we all know who they are. All so called blue bloods programs did it and keep benefiting from it.
Are some of you that naive not thinking it happened regularly?