WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
PLAYING THE RACE CARD?
What a classless move
I joined the FIRST integrated Fraternity in the United States…we had Brothers that were white, black, asian, hispanic and YES at the University of Houston
Are you really that sensitive…OMG!
Race and class are clearly interwoven into this discussion. He sees universities as a marker of one’s social caste. Remember those (largely ahistorical) diatribes he used to go on about how land-grant schools supposedly existed for upper class families to marry off their kids to another rich (implicitly white, given that this was pre-integration) family from across the state? All the talk about “traditional” students? Well, who do you think “traditionally” attended schools like LSU and Arkansas and Texas A&M?
Objection counselor. Misleading the witness.
I don’t think that that is what he means by “traditional.”
“Traditional,” in the sense that I use it, and in the sense that I believe he is using it, does NOT mean White by any means, nor does it necessarily mean middle or upper income, multi-generational college student, or ANY of the things that you, 3rdward, or norb keep IMPROPERLY and INCORRECTLY saying it does.
It means…being a full-time student, being more likely to live on campus, or as is true at aTm and UT, within a close circumference of it, being more likely to participate in Greek Life, becoming involved while a student as an athletic fan, becoming and staying fiercely loyal to one’s school…long after graduation, and become a lifelong sports attendee and donor.
UH doesn’t get ENOUGH of those “traditional” students…if it did, then we wouldn’t have the attendance issues that we perennially do, nor our miniscule Greek system, despite our LARGE enrollment.
That needs to change, if we want to keep up and compete with the rest of the P4…otherwise…we risk being left out and relegated the same way we were before.
He and I both want policies that bring in more of THOSE sorts of students.
And that has NOTHING to do,my friend…with race, class, gender identity, ethnicity, national origin or ancestry, income, sexual orientation, or college generationalism.
Oh so you’re free to interpret his posts but we aren’t? Typical.
Traditional has NOTHING to do with Race…has to do with investment IN their University while attending.
I’d rather take a minority that passionately adds to the culture of the University of Houston than a lily white student that leaves the second class ends and has no school pride.
Easy choice…Ideally, we would have a DIVERSE representation along all race/ethnicities
Something tells me that @UH1927 would agree with MY interpretation over yours.
You guys are way off the rails on this. There are plenty of black and brown, first gen, etc kids that grow up in the suburbs with white friends that go to college and join fraternities and sororities. These kids want the same college experiences their white friends have. I knew plenty. There is nothing in this discussion that excludes kids based on race. Insane.
I know you hate me bringing up UT- bu they are our model…A DIVERSE URBAN TEXAS PUBLIC UNIVERSITY with a ton of TRADITIONAL students.
As in my Adam Clanton’s step daughter example, she BECAME a Traditional student the second she stepped on campus…the CULTURE was that STRONG.
I agree.
Tell that to @T-Moar @norbert and @3rdWardCoog .
They keep introducing that crap as an issue…WHEN IT ISN’T!!!
And MISinterpreting…and I would say deliberately MISREPRESENTING what 1927 and others are saying in that regard.
This isn’t about interpretation, really.
It’s about MISREPRESENTATION and MISCHARACTERIZATION.
They really need to STOP doing that.
If anything having a University with only 1,000 Greek students, out of 50,000 students, is BULLYING those type of students to conform to the Commuter School Culture.
Our leaders have invested very LITTLE in/ for that type of student.
Oh, but that’s where you’re wrong.
Living on-campus ain’t cheap. Neither are fees for Greek life at schools that actually have one. There’s a huge opportunity cost associated with being unable to take a full-time job when you’re a full-time student, even if tuition and on-campus housing were literally free. All of that requires money, which low-income and working class students by definition don’t have. I think it’s largely a coincidence within the context of this conversation that low-income and middle-class kids are proportionally less white, but I can see how someone might be a little less charitable than me on that point, too.
UH, as of right now, improves lives at an extraordinary clip. To sell that out in favor of becoming “traditional” and recruiting a bunch of east coast fancy boys would be a disservice to our city and state, and the students and alumni who have made us what we are today.
You now that UH urban is different from UT “urban” right? 80% of UH students are from The Houston area. Find another public school with 50,000 students with that type of demographic.
When I attended. it literally cost me less to live on campus than to commute back and forth
Now, I know UH has gotten more expensive but THAT’S MY POINT!
Current UH Students are paying TRADITIONAL SCHOOL RATES but are getting Commuter School amenities.
Do you like paying a full $1.00 fro 50 cents worth of value.
Can you list these?
We’ve been through this.
Even UH’s own housing office shows living OFF campus to be more expensive on average.
Is living on campus more expensive than living at home with Mommy and Daddy? Sure it is.
Guess what? I don’t mind if THOSE people commute. Those people are already exempt.
But as I’ve posted before…when I was in law school at UH…I lived in Cougar Place…most of my fellow law students lived in apartments in the Galleria, Med Center, Astrodome, or Midtown areas…they all came out with WAY MORE student debt. Higher rents, higher utilities, and higher costs of commuting (gas, oil changes, car maintenance, etc).
Even Whitmire didn’t try to play THAT card, because he knew it was a losing argument.
Instead…he did like you did…except it was even worse…he resorted to gay and Hispanic stereotyping: “Hispanic families don’t want their daughters living on campus,” funny…my Hispanic aunt sent BOTH of her kids off to Notre Dame where they both lived on campus their entire college careers. IDIOT!!! “But what if you’re living with a 'gay lover?” So? What if you are? You can live together as roommates in the dorms, the same thing that happens at every traditional college, including my own. And if they are married, then they get the same married student exemption that every other married student would.
And once you are on campus…you are more likely to go Greek simply because Greek Life tends to be more socially entertaining than dorm life.
And once you are on campus…Greek or not…you’re more likely to get involved in campus activities like cheering for the sports teams, develop school and fan loyalty, and retain such loyalty and fandom into adulthood.
Where were you commuting from? I also lived on campus, and unless you’re building in the cost of a new car every year, commuting is definitely cheaper from anywhere inside the Beltway.
Like was previously stated successful fraternities and sororities typically reflect the student population and at UH I would imagine the Greek system as a whole probably mirrors the schools diversity. The “traditional” fraternities and sororities tend to have lower levels on African-American students because they have there own National Pan-Hellenic Council with the 9 historically African-American fraternities and sororities, which is arguably more prestigious. At UH, anecdotally the largest increases in the “traditional” fraternities and sororities has been in the non-African-American minority population, especially in the Hispanic population. My wife was a Phi Mu and 20 years ago Phi Mu was one of the lower tier sororities, now Phi Mu is the hot Latinas, they will literally have whole pledge classes with no blonde girls. According to the internet the non-African-American minority population at UH is 66.4% of the student body. UH is 23.7% white.
I have several first generation Hispanic guys that work for me and they take pride in sending their kids to college and view UH as a destination school.
Also Rice has Houses like Harry Potter which haze at least they did in the past.
A 2% Greek population
No adjacent University themed development to keep students on/near campus after class
No Freshman Living mandate
Majority students that fit into these categories A) Transfer students (to or from) B)Commuter Students (any race, any generation) C) Adult students (older than 25)
Regional reputation with little emphasis on out of state representation
Limited fan support, school pride for school it’s size or even smaller
That’s just the start of the list
I lived on campus but grew up in Spring.
That was the one stipulation IF I attended UH…I would NOT be a commuter student.
It cost me $250/Month to live on campus
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