An actual distrubance in the force

My problem with that, is it really doesn’t seem like there is any clear strategy at play. Tarriffs on, tariffs off, tariffs at x, now tarriffs at y, and all that time there have been no new trade deals finalized. It is all bluster, all bluff, and no payoff. In the meantime, businesses can’t adjust, budget or plan for what comes off as a “seat of the pants” negotiation.

Personally, I think incentives rather than penalties (tarriffs) is the better way to go. Though we absolutely need to have more production in the US for things that are important to our national security like microchips (fortunately, the CHIPS act seems to be working), medcine, etc.

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By the by if one puts a dot on 2020 and another dot on 2025 it is straight down.

See, reading graphs is not that difficult after all.

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The way to read graphs is to cut out the middle info?

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Just like reading a tombstone.

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Really just need these two data points, the stuff in the middle isn’t that important. :wink:

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Thon was a good dude.

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We had trade agreements in place on January 20, 2025. Those deemed unfair could’ve been negotiated one at a time, but the deciders decided to blow up international trade.

As I’ve said, it seems like no clear or coherent strategy.

Graphs are useful to see trends. Just looking at a graph is not much,

This is taught in High School and at UH. Many graphs do not show a trend. There are merely endless data points.

The graph posted hereon has a trend. The trend is straight down. That is, a decline in our Exports/Imports ratio. Imports increasing faster than our Exports.

Thus the GDP gets hit with a decline due to that number being part of its calculation. Imports exceeding Exports by ever increasing amounts is a negative hit. Ever increasing.

See how easy it is to “connect the dots” and actually know something?

There is more than one trend in that chart. That doesn’t mean you’re wrong to focus on the larger, longer term trend but others aren’t for saying there is more to it either.

If you look at that graph and interpret it as “straight down”, you need to go back to school and study harder this time.

Sadly, here you’re just defending yourself, your initial false statement, and not learning anything. Maybe you’ll learn better in a classroom setting.

It literally goes down, then up and then down.

What happened in that time that might have caused this? Were the same economic factors at play or were different things happening during that timeline?

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Again, this is also categorically false. good lord…

Are you saying that a surplus or deficit in our exports vs imports doesn’t affect the gdp calculation?

They will change the formula to get the results they want, they already tried that spin.

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I’m saying that our net imports/exports is not a net negative on GDP as Tuscon’s narrative claims. To simplify things, if I spend $1 on an widget that’s an import it gets captured in “C” but then gets subtracted out by “M”. $1(C) - $1(M) = 0. That’s zero impact to GDP.

Already did that, changed the math to for how someone’s bill wouldn’t expand the deficit linye crazy.

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Thank you for the clarification.

Probably nothing to worry about…

Prediction: Interest rates won’t go down much and might even rise eventually as we have to sell more bonds to fund our deficits

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The latest workforce data suggests that American workers have been the main beneficiaries in the labor market amid the administration’s crackdown on illegal immigration.

The Labor Department’s jobs report for the month of June showed that the number of foreign-born workers declined by 348,000 from May — while the number of foreign-born workers has declined by more than 543,000 jobs since January.

By contrast, the number of U.S.-born workers increased by 830,000 from May to June, and is also over 2 million higher than when the administration began in January.

That comes as a more significant shift in the composition of the workforce when compared with last year during the previous administration, when foreign-born workers gained 1.025 million jobs and native-born workers picked up 1.099 million jobs over the same time period.

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By the by the GDP calculation I cited is,indeed, the way one computes GDP.

Look it up. When Imports EXCEED Exports that creates a negative impact on GDP calculation.

And it looks like our Labor Force participation rate is going up. A very good development.

Could you provide your source?