Get shorty, that was a great movie.
Ever read the book? Just curious how it compares.
Musk back at it as his Ai goes full anti-semite…
Yea, with AI, there’s that garbage in/garbage out problem. Then it makes it worse when someone tinkers with it in the wrong way too, which I assume is what happened here.
Grok, developed by xAI, is trained using a combination of techniques, including large language model (LLM) training, real-time data integration from X (formerly Twitter), and reinforcement learning with human feedback (RLHF).
Hmm i wonder which of these had the Hitler answer
The movie that quote comes from (Song of the South) has been criticized for promoting racial stereotypes.
Its famous song (Zip a dee do dah) is loosely based on a much more offensive blackface minstrel song “Zip Coon,” which has a chorus that goes “Zippa Duden Duden Zippa Duden Day.”
Disney has banned its distribution, though can still find it on YouTube and other internet sites.
A lot of people may use quotes from that movie without knowing some of the things that make its source problematic.
Brer Rabbit and the briar patch is an old Cherokee tale. African slaves in the antebellum South adopted the story and weaved it into their own folklore. The Disney movie came many many decades later. I wholeheartedly disagree with your position that Cherokee and African American culture is “problematic” because of a Disney movie. I guess I truly don’t know the rules.
I think most people associate that “Briar Patch” quote with the movie “Song of the South,” not Cherokee legends.
I certainly do.
That’s where I first remember hearing it.
And yes, that movie is very problematic for racial reasons, causing any quote from it to likewise raise eyebrows.
I’ve never seen “Song of the South”. If what you say is true and that Disney has limited access to it, I doubt many other people have either. Millions of people have enjoyed the Brer Rabbit stories. I wonder what that says about each of us. Your point of reference is a racist movie with limited access. My point of reference is classic American literature.
Come to think of it, my point of reference for Shylock is a Shakespearian play.
I mean yeah but if you read the Merchant of Venice again, Shylock is very clearly anti-Semitic caricature of Jews, a money focused, petty, money changer. I mean they also call him “The Jew”
So calling a person a Shylock both shows that one your old as heck to use that reference, and it’s anti-Semitic.
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Disney didn’t block its distribution until after its last theatrical release in 1986.
By then, that movie was well known to more than one generation, and by then, the movie, and its Brer Rabbit “Briar Patch” quote had become pop culture standards for many.
Anyway, to learn more, watch the movie.
Compare its most popular song to this one that inspired it (note: this is for educational purposes only; no offense is intended).
This is a clip from Song of the South featuring a tune inspired by that.
Wow! That is what you got out of Merchant of Venice? Maybe all art is interpreted by the reader. Shylock is a very flawed character. There’s no doubt about that. But Shylock is victimized by his Christian adversaries in a rigged trial. The story is a plea for tolerance. Recall Shylock’s colloquy in response to his trial.
“I am a Jew. Hath not
a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions,
senses, affections, passions? Fed with the
same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to
the same diseases, healed by the same means,
warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer
as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not
bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you
poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall
we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will
resemble you in that. If a Jew wrong a Christian,
what is his humility? Revenge. If a Christian wrong
a Jew, what should his sufferance be by Christian
example? Why, revenge! The villainy you teach me I
will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the
instruction.”
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I get it, uhlaw97. You advocate extinguishing part of the tapestry of American culture originating with the Cherokee, popularized by African Americans, and enjoyed by countless people today because you’ve been told to hate a Disney movie made 80 years ago.
I had a person earlier today suggest that my love for Shakespeare is really enjoyment of a antisemitic trope. I don’t know if these are driven by puritan-like morals or perhaps it’s just an intolerant ideology. Whatever the motivation, I hope people don’t try to ban books and literature.
Well believe it or not, most Americans familiar with that “don’t throw me in that briar patch” quote know it from the Brer Rabbit character in that movie, a character which, like many others in that film, speaks in exaggerated African-American stereotypical dialect; a movie with many offensive racial stereotypes and images.
I realize you apparently weren’t aware of that movie quote when you learned it and said it, but hopefully this will provide some context as to why many people might regard that quote as racially offensive.
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I always loved that quote. Shakespeare!
But unfortunately the caricature is what the term is used for, like in a quote like this
“and borrowing from, in some cases, a fine banker and in some cases Shylocks and bad people”.
Anyway, so that you don’t have to watch the whole movie, here’s the scene where Brer Rabbit utters that quote.
This is where most Americans familiar with the quote know it from, just so you are aware.
That quote is referencing Shylock’s flaws. I have never denied that Shylock is a very flawed character. A person like Shylock is not a person I would want to do business with. Even Shylock himself recognized his own excesses. The play makes the point that even taking all that into consideration, it is an injustice to victimize Shylock. There seems to be a very strong desire on this board to eliminate references to great literature.
For a movie you find “problematic”, uhlaw, you seem to want to talk about it a lot and post “problematic” clips. Very odd.
I’m just trying to help you understand the context that most people associate the quote you used with.
So that you’ll understand why others might find it offensive.
Just watch the one clip for reference.
I think you will find that nearly all Jewish groups will find Shylock to be antisemitic.
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