uhlaw97
November 29, 2025, 3:56pm
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That’s an even wackier Jewish conspiracy theory than most.
Good grief.
Do you not realize just how looney tunes that sounds???
Anti-Semitism existed long before Israel was created in 1948. Ever heard of the Holocaust and the pogroms?
And it would still exist in America and elsewhere even if Israel didn’t exist, and even if the USA didn’t support Israel.
Israel is sometimes used as an excuse by anti-Semites to rationalize and justify their own internal and personal anti-Semitism.
But it is NOT the cause of anti-Senitism nor is it the reason people become anti-Semitic. That’s just ignorant.
rtcoog
November 29, 2025, 4:15pm
1436
Here are several quotes from a famous antisemitic book:
“The Jew himself is the cause of his being hated.”
“The Jewish people form a state within a state.”
“The Jew always seeks to influence the affairs of nations.”
“The Jew is always a foreigner in the nation in which he lives.”
“The Jew uses every means to undermine the nations in which he lives.”
“Wherever one looks the Jew is the wire-puller.”
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What in anything that I posted is a conspiracy?
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I’ve never said any of those quotes, have I?
But even if I were to agree, then what is the purpose of AIPAC, and why do they lobby politicians?
Do you believe the Epstein Files should be fully released, unredacted? (for which they should be in about 20 days)
Do you believe there is no compromising Israeli Intelligence information in the files? If there is information, do you believe it will help or hurt the Jewish community in America?
How are those quotes relevant to anything I’ve said?
rtcoog
November 29, 2025, 4:33pm
1442
If you can’t see the connections, not sure what to tell you.
Your posts aren’t all the way there but there is more than a hint of those specific quotes in there.
I really don’t see it.
If you are referring to my argument of ending the Israel Lobby, that has nothing to do with Jewish people.
Wanting to end the Israel lobby in US politics is not antisemitism.
Further, I also countered that exact statement by saying that if the US were to stop subsidizing Israel, then someone else will.
If you want antisemitism in America to decline, then end the Israel lobby. That ofcourse, comes with national security implications.
Why does Israel need to be subsidized by any country? Why not subsidize every country that is at risk of genocide or ethnic cleansing?
rtcoog
November 29, 2025, 4:38pm
1444
Ok, I’m not going to derail this thread any further.
Probably because you don’t have an answer?
Which is fine, I don’t have all the answers either
rtcoog
November 29, 2025, 4:41pm
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No, because I don’t want to derail this any further. I’m not interested in going down these rabbit holes.
On what grounds would you end their lobby?
Me personally? I wouldn’t end their lobby. I think Israel is far too important to American Interest. I also believe Jewish people have dealt with historic persecution and injustice most of their existence, therefore, they should be welcomed in the USA.
That being said, I think much of the antisemitism in America stems from how much support America gives to Israel, and I feel that Jewish people in America are unfortunately the scapegoat for policy in Israel.
There was anti-Semitism in the US long before 1948. My dad was routinely attacked on his way home from school when he was a child.
But I forgot, you don’t care about history or facts.
This isn’t that old timey antisemitism. This is new antisemitism, Jews control America with their money. Novel idea
Not Jews.
Israel.
Jews just happen to populate Israel. The Jewish population is not the scapegoat for Israel.
As far as Jewish institutional placement in industries such as finance and the arts, that’s America’s doing. Jewish took what was given to them, which at the time was lack of opportunity. Not their fault those industries became lucrative.
HCNY
November 29, 2025, 8:42pm
1455
“Jewish took what was given to them….”
Given? Nothing was given.
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