The Sec is really beginning to feel threatened:
UH to the Big Ten!!!
On one hand they’re saying, others like Cody Campbell are seeking their own agenda for their benefit. Yet on the other hand, their whole reason for complaining is because they want to keep the advantage. Which is to their benefit lol… make it make sense.
The NFL model works and is proven. Collective media rights with the ability for individual teams to make deals and profit off their own popularity.
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Problem with applying the NFL model to college is that the NFL does not have the huge disparity in value between highest and lowest teams in the same league.
Maybe if just including the 4 “power” conferences then it could be applied. Until they break off to form a separate level of competition from the other G conferences, it will be hard to unify as the SEC and B1G members will never allow their value to be averaged down in terms of each teams income.
That said something does need to be done.
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…and who created that? It goes back to one thing. FBS DIV I leagues are all equal by definition. Who forced on us the power conferences?
So on one hand we have a clear definition of FBS DIV I leagues on the other pushed by two leagues we have power conferences.
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You forgot the most important thing
The Draft
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A college draft would be the most ideal thing. But the players would have to opt in. Then if you do it for basketball it wouldnt work because our whole basis is for character kids. But it would even everything out.
Im voting for Codys thing. I dont see the benefit of having SEC and Big dictate everything. F them.
How would a college draft even work
The worst teams of each conference get the first pick of recruits?
Yeah right, no college AD/Prez would sign off on that
The blue bloods want to remain blue bloods. The richest want to remain the richest.
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My post was a statement of the issue regarding money. Not a statement of blame.
I was commenting on monetary imbalance not other issues.
That said, you cannot have a draft in college as it is about getting an education and not all school may offer the degree the “Student” wants.
The problem is not how to make college sports into a new minor league, but making it college sports and fixing the issues, not making new ones. Most major stories go into making a new sport league with big splash moves and how people (in all areas) can make more money, not about taking proper effeorts to fix college sports issues and creating a fair playing field in college.
Georgia ans OU have already taken the “collective media rights” to court and won so college sports is not going back to that
as has been pointed out the idea of a draft in college sports is just ridiculous
really as terrible as it sounds probably the only thing that will “fix” college sports is for congress to get involved and make national laws
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there needs to be high school metrics that need to be met or a player is not eligible to play as a freshman
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if they do not meet those metrics then they need to meet metrics as a freshman at their university to play the next year…they can practice, but not play…so if they are in the bottom 25% of their HS class with a 1.995 GPA they are not playing as a freshman…to play as a sophomore they need to pass 30 credit hours THAT COUNT TOWARDS A DEGREE so no garbage courses with a 2.25…so that is 15 credit hours for two long semesters of some in the long semester and then some in a summer session
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if they do not make the above metric the university CANNOT kick them out they then have to pass another 30 credit hours that COUNT TOWARDS A DEGREE and the combined 60 hours have to have a 2.25 GPA
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and repeat…so after 4 years a player could never play a down, they would have 120 hours towards a degree and a sub 2.25 GPA and at that point they get their “5th year” to go ahead and finish a degree…or ideally they would make the freshman metrics and continue to play and maintain their GPA
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there needs to be a limit for “online classes” or other classes that are taken without showing up to a classroom filled with other students
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there needs to be academic progress requirements for all athletes to play…even if you have a 4.0 GPA with all classes that count towards a degree if you are in your 3rd year of school and that 4.0 is only with 30 credit hours then you are not making proper progress and you cannot play until you get back to making proper progress based on the number of years at the university
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5 years to play 4 period the end…any years that you do not play because of lack of HS metrics or because of lack of academic progress towards a degree are NOT eligible to be your redshirt year
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there needs to be ZERO dollars transferred from the academic side of any public university that is not part of a student approved free strictly for athletics and that been needs to be capped at 24 credit hours in a year…no more student fees PLUS extra money just handed off from the academic side at any public university…private universities have to disclose how much they pass off to athletics…students at public and private universities have the right to ask for a vote on that fee once a year at a set date and time…the fee can be for any dollar amount per credit hour, but it is capped at 24 hours per year and there is ZERO additional money after that handed off from the university…this includes any NIL or anything else
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failure to meet academic progress rates and graduation metrics can result in a reduction in scholarships available
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NIL is allowed, but there needs to be clarity in what is expected for the money…any individual or business that hands off “cash” that is not disclosed would be subjected to extreme federal financial and legal penalties that could include jail and a good IRS reaming…any player that accepts is is immediately ineligible for college sports of any kind, BUT the university has to keep them as long as they make academic progress and they count towards the scholarship limits…they also could face legal and financial consequences…same for any “agent” or “unc” types giving advice…and with the above points on participation and HS metrics and university progress…those players count towards scholarship limits as well
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one time transfer no questions ask…if you transfer in poor academic standing the school you left still has you counted against their scholarship limits until your 5 years runs out AND the school you transfer to cannot allow you to play until you meet the progress metrics and you count against their scholarship limits
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remove the ability of the NFL or NBA to take players right out of high school…who cares if they want to try it and get busted up in the process…walk it off fool and take some of your earnings and go PAY for college if you can actually get in (that probably can’t get into most decent ones)
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limit the amount of debt that any program can have for facilities and again this is more pointed towards public universities…you cannot just be borrowing to build giant facilities and eating into the bonding capacity and bond rating of the overall university to feed an athletics machine…private universities must clearly disclose their athletics debt and the cost to service it
14 major federal penalties for universities that are caught cheating on money hand offs from the academic side to athletics…that can be shown to know that there was under the table NIL or that have a poor enough academic progress rating over several years…reductions in federal grants, inability to claim any “overhead” in federal grants, and possibly even reduction in PELL grant participation or other federal financial aid programs or things like “hispanic serving institution”…control your athletics, hand out degrees not “playas going to da leagues”, control your donors, and control your athletics finances or lose federal dollars period
Agree with about half the post.
One aspect on the flip side that I would look into - Capping athletic department spending and any income over that goes back into the academic side of the university. Provide some balance among the league and can help the academics for a few schools.
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what parts would you disagree with?
until academics are featured you are never going to fix college sports
as far as capping spending goes unless you are going to cap it at $70 million to $80 million then you are not going to prevent the schools that are transferring $15 million or more in non-student approved dollars from academics to athletics
until you limit the ability for schools to use massive amounts of debt to build facilities they only need for “show” you are not going to get cost under control
until you make universities and their athletics departments have consequences for enrolling people that they allow to make zero academic progress or near meaningless academic progress you are never going to get athletics under control
and until you make serious consequences for the academic side if athletics cheats and consequences for outside donors and supporters you are not going to get athletics under control
too many people want athletics to be an “opportunity” for some to “go to college” while ignoring the fact that many of them are not qualified to be in college, some should have never been granted a high school diploma, and they are going to do nothing with that “opportunity” other than waste it and feel entitled to get “paid” because they place zero value on a degree, room and board, health care, and tutoring/academic support (if they even halfway care about that)
too many people ignore that the “value” of many of these athletes is zero in the real world of athletics IE the pro leagues so they have no real basis to demand to be “paid” for their value because their real value is zero
too many people fail to understand the difference between revenues and profits and they want to ignore the massive cost of catering to those that place no value on an education and instead view college sports as their “steeping stone to “the league”” when in reality most of them will never sniff “the league” in any sport
players are not going to places that have a 20,000 seat stadium, no indoor practice facility, old metal lockers, and some big group showers with dorms that are two beds and a shared bath with two others in the other room…but people want to blame the universities for having all of those expenses and for running a deficit in their athletics department and taking money from regular students to cover it…some approved by the students and often a great deal more that is not
too many people want to ignore that if teams are evenly matched there can be great games even if the 'top talent" is not on the field…the NFL has all the “top talent” and it is some of the most boring and least exciting football there is…it is the National Field Goal league and the games are horribly unexciting
I would rather see the “top” D1-A player go somewhere else away from any college campus and watch D1-AA quality players that care about college and that do not demand millions in renovations to locker rooms and facilities every other year along with pay, hair cuts, DJs, pay, and that take 9 credit hours in a long session and make all Cs and Ds and just keep playing because they take class that counts towards no degree offered in the summer and make B
as a benefit as soon as some colleges realize that some high schools are still using class rank fraud and grade inflation to get players into college and able to play in their first year before they become ineligible for their second year (and probably more after that) well those high schools will be less popular to recruit from and high schools will realize that they might need to send people that can read and write to college and the rest need to go to what ever minor leagues try and pop up (and probably fail) or they can send them to community college or to the drive thru where they can make hand offs of fries
college sports will be infinitely better without those that care nothing about academics and that make their COLLEGE choice based on sports and nothing else…until you control the wholesale transfer of academic side funds (without student approval), until you control who steps on the field based on academic progress towards a real degree, and until you control the ability to go into massive debt for facilities you are never going to get control of college athletics
and until you have real penalties for the athletics side (like loss of scholarships or players that cannot play because of academics taking up slots and costing money that cannot be “cut”) and real penalties for the academic side of they try and cheat the system along with criminal charges for boosters, businesses, agents and uncs that come up with ways to cheat you will never get control of college sports
and I think few of any can argue that college sports (even top match ups) have gotten better as the “pay me” has come to fruition and in fact I think pretty much anyone can see it has gotten much worse and that supports the idea that who cares of some of “the best athletes” never play in college because they simply cannot make the grades or choose to not deal with that and try their hand at some pro league (and who cares of those do not currently exist and or pop up and contentiously fail)
college sports should be about “opportunity” for people that care about COLLEGE first and foremost, second, third, and forth and it should have nothing to do with and should want nothing to do with “providing a chance to showcase talent” or “making it to the next level” when those phrases are about pro sports
I agree with you since I hate nfl games and don’t watch any. But sub prime talent is even moreso less entertaining.
Like watching high school tennis compared to Wimbledon.
Tennis is a poor example because of the lack of participation vs. football in particular…there are some extremely exciting high school football games some of them much more exciting than even the Super Bowl (especially the one this year)
we are making a comparison of sports (football, basketball, baseball) that have extremely high participation rates and that have numerous levels of competition even above the high school level, but below the NFL level
and over time we are probably talking about 50 to 100 players a year that have extreme talent that will immediately be taken by some pro league (even if not the NFL) while most of the rest will either fall back in line and realize that their “worth” is probably maxed out at a free college degree and room and board and they are probably lucky to get that especially once all of the “big money” (a large part of which is off the back of traditional students) is removed from the equation
if it so happens that a few hundred more every year choose to try and “make the league” (whatever pro league that is) and do not make it into college sports or a few hundred never see the field because their academics never meet the required metrics…well when you spread that out over 128 D1-A programs that is not much of a loss of “talent” especially when much of that “talent” is ego, attitude, arrogance, ignorance, and detrimental to a team sport and they will spend a lot of their time transferring from place to place and wasting spots at each of those places we are not looking at much of a loss
again lets look at baseball…we know that college baseball is not the place where all of this “pay me my worth” nonsense started because baseball has a robust minor league system and there are players that actually value a free college education and the chance to play college baseball over the SMALL amount of money they are currently “worth” because they want the degree and they can still play ball and showcase their talents for the pros if they develop…others take the minor league money and the risk or they get enough if they want a degree they will be able to pay for it later
same with hockey…even basketball to some degree though the NBA has done all they can to not allow that to happen and to try and pass the cost to college sports and the NFL of course will let this go on as long as possible…and of course there are many college baseball and hockey games that are very exciting
it is time to force the hands of the fools involved and make the pro leagues carry the cost of “playas” and to weed out the “playas” from costing colleges and universities tens of millions a year to cater to their stupidity and lack of desire to take a real chance on their “talents” while also wasting time, money, space, and air on college campuses
I am about certain that with enough resolve on the part of college sports the pros and the “playas” will crack first and they can get in bed together and eat the cost of whatever (probably horrible) product they produce and the rest of us can get back to much more enjoyable college sports played by people that have a desire to be at a college and to aim for a degree
Keeping it simple - one area I disagree with is blocking money from the academic going to athletics.
Athletics should be a part of the education process, not a pro league. Also Many schools cannot support athletics without university support so your talking about going from a 1000-2000 schools with athletics to about 40.
Next are you also suggesting blocking all university marketing because athletics is a form of marketing for aschool.
Now do you have cliff notes for the rest of your post after the first sentence? Not reading all that on a forum.
I said to give the traditional students a voice in how their money is spent…if those students vote to allow the money to be transferred then it can be done…but what should not be allowed is to lie to students that they are voting on a student fee to pay for athletics and to tell them a dollar amount per credit hour and then after that hand off more money that has not been approved by that vote
and the idea of athletics ad “advertising” is silly all the more so in an era of players that leave as soon as they are offered a few more dollars, players that make almost no progress towards a degree, and players that barely attend classes in person
a university should be embarrassed to “advertise” themselves that way and there is a reason that many of the best universities choose to not do that
and the inability to read other ideas is centered on the idea that the answer is “take from the SEC” or “share money with everyone even if no one wants to see many of these programs and those programs make little to no investment and their fans make none”
so what if there are fewer athletics programs spending tens of millions of non student approved money for the failed belief of “advertising” to support and allow people that care next to nothing about a degree to represent them
You said to make all spending is up to students for athletics. Right now there is spending other than student fees that goes to athletics. But guess what, most of the university spending is not voted upon by students. They do not get votes on university operations, faculty spending/hiring, landscaping, janitorial issues, research, conference travel, purchase of land or building construction, non-sports marketing, etc… This is no different when it is not a fee but university operations.
Students should get a say if there is a fee applied to them specifically on athletics.
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Utterly stupid take. Everyone across the country knows the university of Alabama because of their sports. Same for Michigan and Ohio St. TCU jumped up a ton of spots in UNSWR after their Rose Bowl win into the top 100 and has stayed there since. I think applications doubled after that game. Now their second largest source of students is California which all springboarded off that win and membership in the MWC.
The phrase that athletics is the front porch of the university is not just a meaningless statement.
Sports make a school a national name with the exception of a few ivy leagues and a couple elites. Otherwise they would all be regional schools without sports as a marketing tool for the university.
College sports are not about professional sports. They are an ingrained part of the college experience. So yes it matters that there are more than just a few “pro” teams.
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your takes are the totally stupid ones
trying to compare facilities, landscaping, and other actual university operations to athletics spending and saying that students do not get a vote on those other things is just ridiculous and intellectually challenged
Michigan is one of the top public universities in the country and conducts a massive amount of research as does Ohio State…none of that has anything to do with athletics spending nor does people being aware of them have to do with it
in addition even if you wanted to give that argument an ounce of credibility the awareness of Michigan, Alabama, and Ohio State came along well before college athletics was a massive expense and drag on traditional students and back when any “pay” for players might have been a $100 hand shake at the most and facilities were what was necessary not what attracted fools that care nothing about academics of a college degree
you are also 100% wrong about TCU
in 2008 TCU was ranked 108 in the US News
in 2011 the year they had The Rose Bowl win (in January) they were ranked #99…in 2015 #76…in 2026 #97…so their spending on athletics has pretty much resulted in them being ranked in the same place they were in 2012 (a full year plus after their Rose Bowl win) and only very slightly higher than the 97.125 ranking average for the years between 2008 and 2015’’
so there is zero evidence to support that athletics spending had any meaningful long term difference in their academic rankings
Rice on the other hand was #17 until #18 in 2014 and #19 in 2015 and they are #17 in 2026…and guess what people know Rice University and it is not because of athletics spending
Baylor an average of #76 between 2008 and 2015…#88 now and they spend equally to TCU and they have won several womens and a mens BB championship in that time and played in major bowl games as well
SMU an average of 61.875…#88 today…so no increase in rankings and they have been spending a lot on athletics lately and they have had a large enrollment from California for many years now…in 2010 52% of their undergrads were from Texas and 9% from California (3,194 vs. 547)…in 2021 that was 2,985 from Texas and 951 from California…both of those years Texas was the top state and California was second
in 2010 Florida was third 4% (236) and Illinois 4th 2% (137)
in 2021 Florida still third (266) and Illinois 4th (188)
and 2021 was well before anyone thought that SMU was “really spending” on athletics or having any meaningful success
so it looks as though the real driver for SMU was a desire to be in a large metro area, good academics, and the ability to be admitted when states like California and Illinois (and even Florida) have a very competitive environment for their top public universities (or a lack of them after a few in the case of Illinois and even Florida) and a very competitive and also very expensive private school offering…but I don’t think anyone can point to anything that SMU did between 2010 and 2021 athletics wise that would really excite someone or motivate them to apply and enroll there
one can look at GaTech averaged 35.5 for a ranking from 2008 to 2015 and they are #32 in 2026 and they are hardly massive spenders on athletics and have little success to show for it and a lot of debt to go with that lack of success
Clemson an average of 64.125 between 2008 and 2015 and now #75 (so dropped 10+ spots from the 2008-15 average)…and 2008 to 2014 was when they were still “Clemsoning” and then 2015 to 2020 they were ranked no lower than #4 in football and two MNCs
and back to TCU…in 2010 they has 14,805 applicants and enrolled 7,428 1,826 part time
in 2012 19,335 applicants and 7,901 enrolled 1,850 part time
in 2024 22,307 applicants and 9,925 enrolled with 2,446 part time
so from 2010 to 2012 (just prior to and a full year plus after) from The Rose Bowl win there was a jump in APPLICANTS, but only a very small jump in enrollment…and who cares if you get more applicants from students you do not want to actually admit
and there is a great deal more applicants now and there is a larger overall enrollment (a large part of it part time) as pointed out above that larger applicant pool and that larger enrollment has done nothing at all to improve their current US News rankings from a few years prior to The Rose Bowl win
you can find the US News numbers there and IPEDs and SMU can give you data on applicants
so your point that athletics spending makes a university “known” or helps their rankings is pretty much 100% false when one looks at the metrics for a number of similar universities both public and private
and yes college sports should have nothing to do with pro sports and that is why giving athletes “a % of revenues” from programs that are funded largely on the backs of traditional students should not be allowed without the approval of those students and that is why athletes that participate in college athletics should meet required academic standards to play and progress standards towards a degree to continue to play…those that do not want that and that place no value on a free degree and only a value on “git payd” should be rejected and sent elsewhere post haste with little to no concern about where they end up