Problem is that everyone wants a Texas school as one of their rivals so they can guarantee time in Texas
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But we have history with these schools and itās our state. Lol
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Iād argue Baylor and BYU and TCU BYU should be played regularly haha
But your point is true and stands haha
Big 12 has 2 blocks of schools, 5 in the West or mountains, (BYU, Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Ariz. St.) and 5 in the Southwest,(Houston, Baylor, TCU, Tech, Oklahoma St.) There is the base for your 2 divisions. Put Iowa St, and the Kansas schools with the West, and Cincy, UCF and West Virginia with the southwest. All rivalries are maintained.
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I would as well but someone has to be UCFās rival. Weāre about as close to them as any conference school, and thereās that space trophy deal.
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Weāve been with them since CUSA and nothing even close to a rivalry has formed since then. Our fans care about the Texas schools. Period.
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Thatās largely true, but I doubt fans of West Virginia, Cincinnati, or Iowa State care about playing them either. Like I said, someone would have to be their rivals, and I bet UH would be chosen for one of the two.
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Yup. This is probably the main argument why youād have to split the texas schools up. Thereās zero chance any of former big 8 schools voluntarily giving up games in Texas, for sure. Even Iowa State, who doesnt really recruit Texas all that hard, still ends up with a handful of quality important Texans every year. Itās essential for our recruiting pitch and logistics have road games in TX.
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From #'s perspective, thereās 4 pac schools plus BYU. Then thereās 4 texas schools. That would be a 9 team division. BYU or Colorado would have to agree to be in the east. Also thereās less than a Zero% chance Coach Prime agrees to no guaranteed games in Texas I promise you that.
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Nobody really cares about history. Itās way down the list of priorities, or else arguably we wouldnāt be in the same conference right now. Youād still be in the SWC and weād be in the Big 8 and the Big 12 never would have been formed in the 1st place. Not saying thatās a good thing or a bad thing, itās just a fact IMO.
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We made playing the other Texas schools an absolute requirement when we came in, and we arent going to give that up to play some out of state school that no one cares about. UCF is all by themselves and have no rivals. Boo hoo, not our problem.Let Utah play them.
We didnāt set requirements to gain admittance to the Big 12. What we were going to do? Stay in a diluted AAC? I hope we continue playing the other Texas schools and think we play at least some if not necessarily all of them every year. We didnāt play Tech last season.
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Nope. We were about to be left out again until Mr. Fertitta called in the big dogs.
Absolutely no way were we making
any demands.
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The holy trinity?
I would think that out of state teams would want games in either Houston or the metroplex. Thatās where the most HS players are. TT has a much smaller list of high schools in the area.
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Then send OSU to the West and Houston-Baylor East. That way everyone gets a home game in Texas every other year.
This seems pretty straightforward, and doesnāt really break up any major rivalries. Guarantees everyone a home game in Texas every year, too.
West:
Arizona
Arizona State
BYU
Colorado
Houston
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
Utah
East:
Baylor
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
TCU
UCF
WVU
Alternately, if the Eastern teams are willing to settle for alternating annual games in TX and FL, you could flip OKST and CU to the East for Baylor and TCU.
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in 2024 we played Baylor, TCU. In 2025, we play Baylor, TCU, Tech and Okie St. In 2026, we play Baylor, Ok. St and Tech. and in 2027, we play TCU and Tech. Our games with our rivals have been, and will continue to be, met. As i understand it, in Big 12ās 4 year period, we will play TCU 3 times, Baylor 3 times, Tech 3 times and Okie State 2 times. That isnt going to change.
Full disclosure, I donāt like divisions. It generally doesnt benefit the top teams. On the rare occasion it does, itās purely by accident.
Seeing as how this is the CFP era, that should be the beginning and end of the conversation.
That doesnāt mean Iām not aware and appreciative of the othe factors that favor divisions, but itās just not where our priorities should be right now. We have to be creative, proactive, and aggressiveā¦or else we die. Simple as that.
For the sake of conversation, if we did choose to go that route and everyoneās ok with splitting up the Texas schools 2 and 2, then I could see that being a realistic and acceptable option. But i think at least 1 school is still going to be on island similar to how UCF is now. And who is gonna agree to that? Idk.
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Well, the most likely pairings for the Texas schools are Baylor-TCU and Houston-Tech. So maybe UH would go to a western division with the two privates joining the eastern. If so you might have
West
Houston
Tech
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
BYU
Colorado
Oklahoma State
and
East
Baylor
TCU
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
West Virginia
Cincinnati
UCF
That wouldnāt be a bad setup.
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From a big 12 fandom standpoint heck Iād sign on to that in a heartbeat. These divisions make a lot of sense to me, good breakdown.
But to my earlier point, my concern is bigger picture. Consider this year. ASU, BYU, and Colorado from āyour divisionā were absolutely deserving to play for the title and win the auto bid.
However, lets say ISU dropped another game. Then itās ASU vs an 8-4 ISU. ISU could potentially win and be the only CFP team. Then you have 3 teams that finished with better records (at least win pct.) sitting out. Thereās zero chance they give BYU and Colorado the benefit of the doubt, ASUās hypothetical championship loss would be held against them too most likely.
Sure, it didnt matter this year because ASU was the friggin 12 seed. But i donāt want to forfeit the theoretical opportunity to get multiple teams in or bid against ourselves for an auto-bye.
See what Iām saying here?
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