Big 12 / SEC / B10 Expansion Thread (Part 2)

My bet is that Tilman Fertitta made some very, very large contributions to both Greg Abbott and Dan Patrick in order to grease the skids. Something in the mid to high 6 figure range for each of those 2 fine fellows would be my guess.

I worked for a prominent Houston real estate developer and major UH booster who needed to have the federal tax law changed in order to finalize a divorce circa 1984. It seems that both he and Harold Farb had the same problem: when giving your spouse liquid assets worth say ~$20 million while keeping the more volatile valued real estate projects worth arguably a lot more (but maybe less), we were told that the tax law required that we give his spouse another $5-10 million in order for her to be able to pay the gift tax since he was keeping more than 1/2 the value of the estate in a community property state.

Long story short, it took a couple of large five figure cash campaign contributions from both he and Farb to then Texas Senator Lloyd Benson to change the tax law and resolve the problem. Soon after those contributions were made, a bill was passed up in DC which among other things made the gift tax inapplicable under those circumstances. (Imagine that - lobbying works in the good old USA.)

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Whose wheels did Patrick and Abbott then grease?

the talking heads on ESPN radio yesterday were finally starting to talk about how bad the situation is for the PAC with their lack of media deal.

there going to go into their media day without an actual media deal.

this has been strung along way, way too long. people are finally starting to call them out on it - they don’t have crap as far as a deal is concerned.

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This is the nightmare scenario I would have avoided if I were GK. It’s going to take away the attention of the programs, players, and upcoming season.

From GK’s perspective, I do see what he’s trying to do. He’s playing Tetris with linear and steaming providers to get to $28-$30mm per school. He’s just not getting there.

That last thing I would want is a media day without a deal in place.

My conspiracy theorist inside me thinks ESPN is pulling strings with other conferences and networks to dissolve the PAC.

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at this point its the only thing that makes sense.

they’ve been saying ā€œsoonā€ forever now and nothing has materialized.

I think the PAC is in big trouble and going into their media days without a media deal is very damning.

Big,
I am just glad we finally have political power to do this. I do not know for sure who wanted to keep us out of the B12…but I believe someone(s) did . Mr Fertitta is truly our University of Houston Hero . Thank you Sir!
Go Big12 Coogs !

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Johnny,

If you can’t believe UH’s own athletic director when he says that Fertitta and top politicians got us in the Big 12, then who can you believe?

I’d say that Pezman is a pretty weighty and trustworthy source.

How do YOU imagine that we got in, and what are your sources for your alternate theory?

I’d like to hear that.

https://twitter.com/dpshow/status/1677159441781669890?s=20

Probably said before, but I think the current pac issue is none of the schools has felt the pain of being left behind in a crappy conference.

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that conference is not moving the needle whatsoever lol

I’ll lmao if Pac adds Boise State. Can you imagine all those arrogant Pac presidents and admins interacting with their counterparts from; where? Boise State?!!! :rofl:

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So…

Washington, Oregon, Arizona & Colorado join the Big 12…or even just the 4 corner schools

The PAC counters by adding UNLV, Boise State, SMU & SDSU (honestly, i’d go further East but it is their funeral)

The PAC can not lose 6 members and backfill with those schools and still be considered a Power Conference nor get a deal anywhere close to the Big 12 deal

Let’s get this done, Big 12!

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it hasn’t for years. long before the conference realignment started happening the Pac12 or 10 or whatever has been struggling to attract an audience.

I don’t think there ESPN is conspiring with anyone. ESPN sets conference values with their rights offers and when they offered PAC $21m that set the value.

Conspiring? No. Answering hypothetical questions from conferences about which P12 schools would add (or at least maintain) per school $ payouts in the current conference TV contracts? Maybe.

I remember when we were joining the Big East & it turned down ESPN’s TV offer — so ESPN gave numbers to the ACC for what each Big East team was worth to the ACC TV contract. Then the ACC plundered the Big East and it dissolved as a football conference before we had ever played a game. IIRC, the ACC took Syracuse, Pitt, L’ville, & WVU.

Current rumors are that ESPN & Fox encouraged the P12 & B12 to merge. Might we have the same situation? Are ESPN & Fox are giving P12 school values to the B10 & B12? Maybe.

Boise State? UNLV? in the PAC?

Why do I keep thinking of Caddyshack? Judge Smails (Ted Knight) as PAC presidents vs. Al Czervik (Rodney Dangerfield) when they talk about UNLV, BSU and the like joining Bushwood (PAC)

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I’ve heard UNLV mentioned as a candidate because unlike SMU, they are an R1 school.

Are they good enough athletically is another question.

The PAC’s impending demise was exacerbated by their futile attempt to get equal money as the B12. They should have gone straight out and secured their best option immediately.

I’m sorry, but I don’t see a world where Washington or Oregon ever join the Big 12. Saw a comment on 365 sports radio where they said the following in regards to those two specifically:

Washington and Oregon’s Priorities in order of Importance =

  1. Big 10 Invite
  2. Stay in PAC#
  3. Independent
  4. Panic
  5. Join the Big 12
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I would agree on points 1 and 2. However, I figure #2 is conditional. If the $$$ discrepancy between PAC and Big XII is large enough they’ll leave.

Independent? Sorry, you’re not Notre Dame or, to a lesser extent, BYU. Other than really ugly uniforms (Oregon) neither school has a national following that any service (cable, broadcast, or streaming) will be willing to televise on any medium. Enjoy the desert and a schedule full of UMass, Army and the like after 10/1 each year if that’s what you want. And don’t forget about bowl games.

I’d put Big XII as the third option. If the Big XII says no, then, it’s panic and independence.

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