Big 12 / SEC / B10 Expansion Thread (Part 2)

nobody is saying they won’t leave (which they haven’t BTW) but the ACC will not break up, before 2036.

The leftover ACC schools will make way more money remaining in the conference.

Adding 3 new members ensured they will have the numbers to continue as conference and PROFIT from the departed.

Only chance the conference breaks up is if certain schools start securing life boats early but they can always do that to align with 2036 anyway so unlikely.

The ACC definitely can survive and be equal to the Big 12.

It won’t, but it won’t have P5 level media money either.

Once the blue bloods and mud bloods leave, what’s left won’t be worth jack squat.

SMU will have officially purchased a lemon at that point.

They’ll be left behind with the Wake Forests and BCs. The P3s will take all the blue bloods and mud bloods, leaving the dwarves behind.

LAW…ESPN is locked into that contract until 2036.

They have a binding contract.

Expansion ensured they maintain the minimum # of members IF some leave.

Why are you still arguing this…just to argue?

They will be very similar to the Big 12…a Blue Bloodless P4…there is precedent.

Because it’s coming.

Blue bloods are leaving, and mud bloods won’t want to stay in a devalued conference.

The ACC will still exist at that point, but with more than five teams gone, including all of its high value brands, its TV contract will be renegotiated way down, and will be worth nowhere close to that of any power conference.

SMU will be left behind with those dwarves. HARDLY a brilliant outcome.

Why do YOU keep arguing against that?

Do you know more than all the experts?

Remember, the Big 12 charter was supposedly a perpetual contract.

Guess what?

Didn’t stop anyone from leaving.

Don’t expect this one to do so.

As we saw with UT’s exit fees……EVERYTHING is negotiable.

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How is it devalued if the conference value is LOCKED IN through 2036 PLUS the conference will receive the Penalty money?

The Big 12 GOR was in no way as iron clad as the ACC GOR that runs through 2036,

Theirs involves a network.

Because if the conference drops below 14 teams, renegotiation is possible.

All it would take is 3-4 blue bloods leaving (which even YOU admit is coming well before 2036), plus 1-2 mud bloods leaving (likely 3-4).

The new contract won’t be worth jack squat for the dwarves left behind.

I’ve gotta jump in here and argue your first line there.

when realignment was hot and heavy (when the PAC finally dissolved) the overwhelming majority of the talking heads were talking and acting as if the ACC breakup was a foregone conclusion.

it was and still is being talked about as if its going to happen.

edit - and schools leaving the ACC is literally a breakup…

I think they will leave around the time that B1G and SEC contract negotiations come up in 5-6 year. Don’t expect it before then. But also do not see it holding all the way to 36.

Schools leaving the ACC is no longer a break up because they added 3 new members to ensure the number of schools remaining constitutes a conference, per their contract. .

That’s why that was such a huge Power Play by the ACC. It essentially locked ESPN into that contract through 2036 PLUS it made ESPN pay for 3 new members PLUS it handcuffed the dissenters (FSU + UNC + Clemson) in their ability to blow up the conference with NO penalty.

I think we’re arguing the definition of the word “breakup”.

im not saying the ACC will dissolve, it will most likely still exist, just not in its current form.

Not if more than four leave, which is entirely possible.

At that point, they are back below 14 and re-negotiation (downwards, certainly) is possible.

At that point, only the dwarves like SMU that have no place else to go will still be there, and the money they get will be way below the P3.

And how much was SMU making in the AAC?

Not much. But more than they will be over the next few years.

They’ll be making ZILCH in the ACC for awhile.

In the future, they might make more than they would in the AAC, but after the shakeup that we all know is coming, it’ll be behind the P3.

Zilch in media rights but $$ in tourney and bowl shares as well as enhanced home ticket sales and sponsorships. Also add exit fees if members leave.

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very good points 1927…expansion to 17 cripples FSU, NC and Clemmie from damaging the ACC or its contract by leaving…SEC doesnt want them anyway…mere moneygrubber schools whining about their payday…other ACC schools seem solidly opposed to the unholy 3 in every way…

Yikes

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Can Uncle Tilman just purchase the AZ FB program and rebrand as UH?

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I thought I heard AZ schools offer in state tuition to CA students like Okie schools offer TX students. Wonder if that changes if true.

Also, doubtful they cut revenue sports like FB and MBB

You don’t go out of business for losing money. You go out of business when you run out of cash.

First the PAc network miscalculated their income and now Arizona does. Some dumb folks afoot.

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