Debate: should criminal cases require a 12 person jury?

The USSC has agreed to hear a case on that very topic.

Back in 1970, the USSC said that six jurors were sufficient for any criminal case involving prison time. A subsequent case held that five was unconstitutional, making six the presumed minimum.

Is six too few? The defendant here is arguing for 12, and an overturning of the 1970 ruling.

In TX, any criminal defendant, even on a traffic ticket, has a right to a jury trial. However, only felony cases generally have 12 person juries.

Anyway, let me know what you think.

How do you determine the magic number? Why 12 and not 16? Or 37? Etc.

12 was the number at Common Law.

Having been a party in a jury trial in a civil district court, I have some first hand experience.

In my case, my attorney brought in another attorney who had experience/ expertise selecting juries. She nailed 11 out of 12, but couldn’t get a good read on the last one. He turned out to be Italian with a very limited grasp of English - yikes!

Missing on one out of twelve (8.3%) in a “preponderance of evidence” trial didn’t turn out to be a big deal, but missing on one of six could have been disastrous, especially if my case had been less solid.

I’m firmly in the 12 camp. And Ive always appreciated the time and attention my jury provided.

I always serve when called - you gain a whole new perspective when you’re sitting in the well of the court. Jury duty can be a pain but that could be you in the well someday.

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I know if I were on trial, I’d want 12 vs 6. Of course, I’d also want more if I could get it.

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How do you nail 11/12 and then select someone who doesn’t understand the language…?

Seems like that would have to be on purpose…

We might have run out of strikes. Don’t know

Ryon can decribe voi dire and it’s limitations better

Civil is an entirely different matter.

This is regarding the right to a jury trial in CRIMINAL matters.

Regarding civil matters, the USSC has held that the 7th Amendment Constitutional Right to a Jury trial in FEDERAL court does apply to any civil matter brought under common law (mostly diversity cases), or in matters similar to common law where only a judicial remedy is possible (most recently there was a civil SEC case that was found to be enough like a common law case that a jury was ruled to be required).

That said, cases brought in federal court under admiralty and maritime jurisdiction generally do NOT have a right to a jury. They are traditionally bench trials, as they are considered matters outside of common law. The federal Judge sitting in admiralty jurisdiction will decide those.

Importantly…

There is NO FEDERAL Constitutional right to a jury trial in civil cases brought in STATE courts, HOWEVER, MOST states have state constitutional provisions of their own creating such a state constitutional right to a jury trial in various civil matters.

Regarding 6 vs.12 in civil, it all depends. Divorce cases in Texas that go to trial (most don’t) are nearly always tried before either a six person jury, or a Judge in a County Court at Law.

Again, regarding criminal matters, the USSC has said that the 7th amendment guarantees a jury of AT LEAST six (no ceiling has ever been determined) for any offense involving possible imprisonment. That’s true in federal or state court. Please note that a state may, at its discretion, expand that right, as TX has. In TX, even traffic court cases in JP Court have a right to a jury trial.

We’ll see if the USSC reverses itself and makes a 12 person jury a requirement. If the USSC has accepted the case, which it apparently has, then I can only assume that such a ruling/reversal is at least being considered.

As for the language thing, that should have been screened out during the “qualifications” part of the jury selection process, even before voir dire. Strange that it was missed.

IIRC you asked for thoughts about 12 v 6. Regardless of federal v state, my reasoning still applies. And for some reason, the old saw that it’s better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 keeps popping up in my head :sunglasses:

My case in 2004 was a divorce that turned into a 3 year custody battle. My exes antics got us thrown out of Judge Bonnie Hellums court and into the regular civil district courts, where her antics continued. Fortunately our new judge was a former Navy JAG who suffered no nonsense. He once told her to pull out a $100 bill, place it on the table, and that she would lose it if she spoke to anyone other than him. She filed a mandamus (and lost) against him during the trial. Our case was well known around the courthouse for several years. Not a distinction I really wanted.

She asked for a jury trial. I won 10-2 and was awarded sole conservatorship. My daughters are now 32 and 29, college educated, and have blessed us with 3 grandchildren. All because a jury of my peers listened.

Interesting story!

Sounds to me like JUSTICE was done!

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Never heard of any family law court case, including divorce and conservatorship (custody), being tried to anything other than a 12 person jury.

Depends on if it’s filed or heard in a County Court or District Court.

County Court = 6 person jury

District Court = 12 person jury

The last divorce trial they had here in Washington County was definitely in a County Court at Law with a six person jury.

In this County, MOST such cases are heard in County Court.

It is also worth mentioning that Texas is one of only a small number of states that will allow a jury to decide child custody matters.

Also, whether a County Court can handle family law cases in Texas depends upon whether the legislation creating the court gives them that jurisdiction or not.

In Washington County, family law cases are filed in District Court, but heard and resolved in County Court (usually; I’ve seen one notable exception). If tried to a jury in County Court, there’s a six person jury. Five of six jurors must agree (unlike in Criminal Cases, where the verdict must be unanimous).