Yes, we paid players, and the investigator said our coaches couldn’t even remember how much we had paid and to whom. We were very deserving of probation. The world isn’t out to get UH.
Do you think uta did it too?
They did but got a slap on the wrist.
How do explain that one?
We did not have UH grads working for the ncaa like uta did.This is well documented. Search coogfans archives and the web.
All schools, every DIV I schools did it, has done it for decades.
Very few so called blue bloods git caught, by chance too?
Two schools in the SWC were singled out and this was not, never was by accident but by design.
UH represents the greater Houston market.
smu represents the Dallas metroplex market.
Neither was invited into the BIG12.
Do you think this was by accident too?
Who benefited the most by our probations?
Fact is we made a critical error ti join the SWC. The sec was there for us. Easy for me to say but quickly after we got into the SWC we dominated. uta could not accept it. The rest is history.
Keep defending uta that is your prerogative. We all know how this played out.
A fuve stars QB and possibly orhers coming our way?..don’t be surprised what comes next.
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UT is a blueblood. They didn’t need to pay players. They were a Top 10 team in ‘81 and ‘83 and had no problem recruiting. But you’re very much a black-and-white, Manichean-type thinker, so there’s no point in me continuing this conversation.
“uta did not need to pay players”
Oh that is a good one. Your comment exemplifies why you are answering the way you do.
They got caught just like we did. Look it up. The main difference is that uta had people working inside the ncaa. We did not.
Even atm got caught. Slocum had to leave but their ncaa penalties were not even close to ours.
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Geez I’d fight it out with Chris being JJ’s top fan 
but even I say, let this thread Go.
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It’s prob safe to say jenkins would have done way better than Helton.
We played Miami when they were a beast and Michigan along with Texas and A&M . And Arkansas in 1991. These 2 schedules were pretty tough. If you look at the scores we played A&M tough when they were king of the SWC at the end.
Helton did play in the SWC but he started out 1 win etc . It wasn’t until Cusa Helton won some more.
We were still competitive in some tough games with Jenkins. Now he’d prob have had to address the def some bc Pardee managed to have both for a few yrs. The offense under jenkins was still scary for teams to play vs Helton . So the admin could have kept him and waited it out a few more yrs. 2 losing yrs prob wasn’t enough time bc we kept Helton way too long.
Look at the A&M and Texas scores under jenkins which wasn’t bad and A&M basically won the SWC in later yrs.
By the by this is the number of seasons various Coaches lasted at UH before being fired:
Applewhite. 3
Levine. 3
Holgersen. 4
Jenkins. 3
Dimel 3
Helton. 7
How very,very odd that Helton got such a long leash while these others did not. Indeed Helton may have been the worst of them all.
Firing Jenkins was a mistake. It then took 11 years before UH hired Briles. And during those seasons we begged people to attend games. Maggard expressed concern we were violating the minimum attendance rule and would lose Division 1 status.
All of this progressed under Helton. Then our horrible program could attract only Dimel.
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No question Jenkins was better than Helton and Dimel, but that’s not saying much.
Obviously we wouldn’t have been as bad under Jenkins, had he stayed, but it’s unclear, after back to back 4-7 seasons with some bad defeats, that we’d be very good either.
UH was limited to offering 15 new scholarships in 1989 only. The maximum was 25, so there was a net loss of 10 for one recruiting cycle. Up until 1992, teams could have a maximum of 95 scholarship players. We can agree to disagree, but if Jenkins was recruiting so well, he would have been able to overcome the loss of 10 ships with the 1990-1992 recruiting cycles.
This issue has not been mentioned but it needs to be with regard to Jenkins departure. UH was on probation 1988-1992 for infractions committed by Coach Yeoman. SMU football was issued the death penalty in 1987. There was concern in the UH administration that the NCAA may perceive UH as lacking institutional control over its football program, since UH had just come off of probation and the videotape was widely publicized in the media. Rightly or wrongly, some internally believed that if UH did not handle this issue decisively, the NCAA would come down on UH even more severe than before. Given Jenkins poor judgement, and back-to-back 4-7 seasons, Jenkins was forced to resign so that UH avoided any future scrutiny.
You omit to mention the biggest part of these so called probations. uta, the great satan had people working inside the ncaa. This is why we got hammered every time we dominated. The great satan did the exact same thing as every college football programs for decades. The latest most well known so called blue blood was Auburn and Cam Newton. He got paid…over $300k and did the ncaa do? They gave Auburn a slap on the wrist…while at the same time USC of all blue bllods, maybe the biggest one had their title vacated same for the Heisman.
Believe me I want to but some can’t help themselves and try to make a mockery of what he did. These posters have no clues of what was going on in these times. Thank god we survived it and we did not become a basketball only school.
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I was thinking the other day of Mr. Pardee being an atm alum and Mr. Jenkins being an Arkansas alum. It could be interpreted in many ways.
Jack Pardee went 0-3 vs A&M.
Jenkins beat Arkansas in 1990, lost in 1991.
I attended the 1989 A&M game in College Station. Our play was pitiful. There was Jack, playing on his College Home Field, and scoring 10 points. With Andre Ware at QB. Spoon at RB. Etc.
To this day I question Pardee vs A&M.
To this day I thank Mr. Jenkins for staying with us while Mr. Pardee took the Oilers job. Mr. Pardee knew what was going with the ncaa and how the ncaa was run. He knew exactly what he was up against.
The NCAA Infractions Committee is made up of prominent college administrators and attorneys. With so many professionals involved, there is no way one person is going to steer the decision of the Committee. I doubt these individuals would run the risk of harming their reputation to see the blue bloods escape from probation.
What evidence is there that the NCAA conspired against UH? What are the names of these Committee members in 1988 with UT ties that purposely tried to punish UH?
The only UT affiliated NCAA executives that I am aware of are J. Niels Thompson, who was President of the NCAA 1977-78, and Jody Conradt, who currently serves on the NCAA Infrations Committee. Neither were involved with UH’s probation in 1988.
Look it up. There is one simple fact that no one can denies. Of all of the SWC schools that cheated only one school except for rice o roni that escaped with almost nothing. Even though they committed the same exact infractions that we did. I can’t remember if it was you or another poster that uta does not need to pay players. A quick eye opening for those saying that. How much money is uta paying today to recruits? It is in the $10’s of Millions. No, uta does not need to pay players. Yeah right.
I can happily report I never said that.
This is through a quick search. Throughout the 1970s–1990s, the University of Texas did have significant representation on NCAA committees and rule-making bodies
1980s
- Athletics administration at UT began engaging more actively with NCAA governance structures, though not as employees of the NCAA, but as committee members and rule-makers.
I love the term “rule makers”
DeLoss Dodds (Men’s Athletic Director, starting 1981):
- Dodds played a central role in NCAA committee work—guiding policies, compliance, scholarship rules, and enforcement procedures
Rules for thee but not for them/uta:
UT navigated NCAA sanctions under his leadership, including two-year probation imposed in 1987 for recruiting and ticketing violations
I love the term “navigating”
1990s
- In this timeframe, UT continued to have faculty and athletic leaders appointed to NCAA committees,
Big 12 Formation (1996):
- Dodds was instrumental in shifting UT from the Southwest Conference to co‑found and shape the Big 12, an outcome with deep NCAA and conference implications
In a quick summary he destroyed the SWC with what came next.
Did UH get involved inside the ncaa? Not until 1995:
In November 1995, a UH faculty member was named a NCAA Faculty Representative, a formal role connecting UH with NCAA governance.
By that time the damage was done…and shortly after the SWC imploded…coincidence???
More information on the so called uta infractions. You decide between UH infractions and uta infractions:
uta:
The NCAA’s investigation into the University of Texas football program in 1987 revealed several infractions, including the provision of small loans to players. One notable incident involved two athletic department officials who obtained a $2,600 loan from a bank in Austin to repair a player’s car. The two students who damaged the car each obtained a $1,300 loan and paid off the original loan. The NCAA considered this a significant violation, stating that “a significant number of violations were found in this case.” upi.com+1upi.com+1upi.com+1upi.com+1
In addition to this, the NCAA report cited 51 rule violations, including players selling complimentary tickets at inflated prices, accepting car loans, and receiving small amounts of cash from coaches, boosters, and alumni. upi.com+1upi.com+1
While the exact dollar amounts for all the small loans are not specified in the available records, the $2,600 loan for car repairs is the most detailed financial transaction mentioned in the NCAA’s findings.
How convenient…
Now let’s look at ours:
The University of Houston’s football program faced severe NCAA sanctions in 1988 due to widespread recruiting violations during the tenure of former head coach Bill Yeoman. The NCAA’s investigation uncovered over 250 infractions spanning from 1978 to 1986. These violations included:
- Cash Payments: Coaches and boosters provided monetary inducements to prospective players, with amounts reaching up to $500 per individual. upi.com+1espn.com+1
It does not say how many players…
- Improper Benefits: The program offered unauthorized benefits such as gasoline credit cards, clothing, and the loaning of automobiles to recruits and players. upi.com
- Illegal Contacts: There were numerous instances of improper recruiting contacts with prospective student-athletes, violating NCAA regulations.
- Lack of Institutional Control: The NCAA determined that the university failed to exercise proper oversight over its athletic program, allowing these violations to occur under the administration of Coach Yeoman.
As a result of these violations, the NCAA imposed significant sanctions on the University of Houston:
- Three-Year Probation: The football program was placed on probation for three years, during which time any further infractions could lead to more severe penalties. latimes.com+1deseret.com+1
- Bowl Game Ban: The Cougars were barred from participating in postseason bowl games for two years, affecting their ability to compete in national championships. washingtonpost.com+1latimes.com+1
- Television Ban: The program was prohibited from appearing on live television during the 1989 season, limiting their exposure and recruiting opportunities. en.wikipedia.org+1en.wikipedia.org+1
- Scholarship Reductions: The number of scholarships available to incoming players was reduced to 15 for the 1989 season, significantly impacting the team’s recruitment and depth.
These sanctions were among the most severe imposed by the NCAA at the time and had a long-lasting impact on the University of Houston’s football program. The penalties were even more stringent than initially proposed, as the NCAA indicated that had Coach Yeoman still been involved, the program might have faced additional restrictions, including further scholarship reductions and limitations on recruiting visits. en.wikipedia.org
This is the “official” version of these probations. Read between the lines. uta did the exact same thing that we did and by all accounts all DIV I programs. The obvious difference is how we got “sentenced” vs how uta got sentenced.
Remember friends that Dodds was directly involved with the ncaa. Only a stubborn donkey would not see the “unequal” sentence.
Some have the nerves to write that uta did not pay players…
Probation for thee but not for me.
So uta did not pay players?
Evidence says otherwise.