Oh yeah, getting rid of the problem was smart. I was just excited to see his talent.
I don’t expect 10 wins next year. My original point was that within the four-year period, he should have at least one season to hang his hat on if we as a school are expected to extend him.
- Benedict Briles - took us bowling for the first time since 1996 and then won a conference championship/had a 10+ win season in 2006… extended and given multiple raises.
- Scumlin - won our first bowl game (ending that horrible streak) in more than two decades and had a 10+ win season (no conference championship)… extended and given raises.
- Levine - no marquee season and no bowl wins (the comeback was with Gibbs as interim)… fired.
- Thomas Judas Herman - conference championship, 10+ win season, and a NY6 bowl win… extended and the checkbook was opened up for his treacherous butt.
- Applewhite - two years, no marquee season, no bowl wins, and no conference championship… fired.
- Holgorsen - first losing season since 2012.
There is a pattern here, guys. You need to have a 10+ win season, win a conference championship (which in the AAC basically means a 10+ win season), and win a bowl. Holgorsen is on the clock. He better get it turned around quick.
…and for all the people asking what his salary has to do with anything, I assume you have never run an organization. Every employer wants a return on investment. If you are the highest paid whatever, you better be one of the top performing and most productive whatever.
My biggest two complaints about Holgorsen after year one was roster mismanagement and the undisciplined offense we ran. Edit: everyone knew the defense was going to struggle, but I was quite surprised by how pedestrian our offense looked and how many mistakes they made during the course of a game.
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Didn’t Levine puzzlingly receive a raise and contract extension from Mack Rhodes at some point in his tenure?
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Yes, extended for three years after year two and given a $125k raise. Then he proceeded to lose the grand opening of TDECU against UTSA.
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I scratched my head when I first heard about it, then thought, oh yeah, it’s Mack Rhodes.
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This is not an organization. This a football team that has many more variables than someone punching the clock and performing well. So many things need to go right. Prime example, LSU. I believe their championship run was more magical than replicable. Look at what they lose and will have to replace. If they have a bad year this season will all the blame go to the coach, or will people acknowledge the rebuild? Did coach O get a raise? Is he one of the highest paid coaches in college football? He also didn’t walk into Baton Rouge and win a NC overnight. He had to work at it until the variables swung their way.
The same with Holgerson. Saying he needs to do something quickly but not acknowledging what he has to do FIRST is short-sighted. You can’t just walk into a situation and expect to fix things over night. Another thing people are failing to acknowledge is the difficulty of this league. Everyone has comparable talent and some people expect us to out-talent everyone on our schedule. That may work with some teams, but if our weaknesses are the opposing team’s strengths be prepared to be disappointed.
Why can’t we let CDH fix the weaknesses without releasing doomsday deadlines for 10+ win seasons? The topic of conversation shouldn’t be WHEN he has to win 10 games, more than HOW he has to win 10 games. One way to start is not equating wins with salary and paying attention to the moves he’s making; he’s literally showing us his plan.
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Actually Levine was technically the head coach in the bowl game win over Penn State.
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Expecting 10 wins by year 4 really doesn’t seem unreasonable to me.
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Yep. If he doesn’t get credit for Pitt (and I agree with that–Gibbs gets it), then he should get credit for Penn State.
If I’m not mistaken, Levine was the associate head coach, special teams and recruiting coordinator when Sumlin left. He was a very important part of that team.
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That’s my big reservation. It is impossible to predict the injuries, but for sure there are always guys playing banged up even coming out of camp. I feel pretty good if I know who’s playing in the first quarter without looking at the program!
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I don’t want take away from his contributions to the program during that period of time, especially on special teams and recruiting but I don’t believe his coaching had as much impact on that game as much as did Case Keenum and a senior laden, motivated group leading the charge, with Kliff Kingsbury running the offense.
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And now you know how Sumlin won here.
Check out his record without Keenum.
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Sumlin’s greatest talent was going to a school that had a quarterback already recruited for him. He was screwed after that QB left though.
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Sampson’s first year here we were terrible. Things were so bad the staff was elated to win 2 of their last 3 regular season games and Kellen Sampson told me in no uncertain terms that little run at the end of the year helped them close with Rob Gray.
That’s not to say in year 5 of Holgorsen we’ll be where UH basketball was in year 5 of Sampson. But I think the few people paying close attention to UH basketball in 2014/15 understood CKS inherited nothing close to what he needed roster-wise and gave him a mulligan for the year.
I don’t think the roster was as cooked for Holgorsen as it was for Sampson, but I don’t think you can argue in good faith that DH walked into a roster that was ready to compete with Memphis, UCF and the like.
Edit- And if you believe when (if) we get on the other side of this pandemic by early next year that we’ll have the scratch to buy out DH after 2 years… I have some oceanfront property in Central Nevada to sell you.
They recruited Rob in Sampson’s first year? I thought he transferred here and on his visit, his dad met Carl Lewis and that pretty much set things in motion?
Rob was recruited following the 2014-15 season outta Juco. He’d actually been set to sign with Tennessee, but Donnie Tyndall’s staff got in NCAA hot water and he looked elsewhere for a school.
I can direct you to the audio of Kellen saying all of this (not the Tennessee stuff, but the stuff I said earlier).
I believe you. I don’t care enough to go that far. Lol
Contrary to the revisionist history writers on this board, Briles did not inherit a program on death’s door. In fact, I had pegged the next season at 8-4 with a healthy Barrick Nealy. He actually got a program that was on the verge of a resurgence.
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