Moving to electric vehicles will dull recessions currently inflated by oil

I do recall folks posting pictures of EVs on fire way back when. It was one
of the early knocks on the technology from the anti-EV crowd. Runaway lithium
chain reactions was the fear being peddled. Along with things like the weight
of EVs damaging roads or collapsing parking garages due to their weight and brining down the US electrical grid. But haven’t seen anyone trying to push that fire perspective in a long long time here.

Norbert has a long memory, and doesn’t let go of things :slight_smile:

Can you share with us the links you are reading ?

And what specific issues in Texas are you pointing out about the solar, heating, and car charging mix ? I mention Texas, since we are the US leader in wind, solar, plus power storage mix.

Can’t find the original item which was problems in the northeast & Texas. I simply pulled up google and this showed up

electric supply forecast

Current forecasts indicate a significant shift in the electricity landscape, marked by

surging demand from data centers and a transition to solar-led supply growth.

1. Supply & Generation Trends

  • Solar Power Dominance: Solar is projected to be the primary driver of new generation. U.S. solar capacity is expected to grow significantly, with 69 gigawatts of additions through 2027, fueling 21% annual increases in solar generation.
  • Declining Coal: Coal-fired generation is expected to fall by 9% in 2026 and remain flat in 2027, as coal capacity declines by nearly 13 GW over the next two years.
  • Natural Gas & Nuclear: Natural gas generation is expected to remain relatively flat through 2026, though prices may rise in 2027 as demand for exports grows. Nuclear power is set for a modest increase in 2026, supported by plant restarts like the Palisades Nuclear Station.
  • Battery Storage: New generating capacity is increasingly paired with battery storage, particularly in Texas and California, to manage intermittent renewable energy.

2. Demand Projections

  • Strong Growth: After decades of stagnation, U.S. electricity consumption is forecast to grow by 1.1% in 2026 and 2.6% in 2027.
  • Key Drivers:
    • Data Centers: Expanding AI and cloud services are the largest growth factors.
    • Industrial Reshoring: New semiconductor and battery manufacturing facilities are significantly increasing load.
    • Electrification: Rising adoption of EVs and heat pumps is boosting demand in the residential and transportation sectors.

3. Regional Forecasts & Reliability

  • Texas (ERCOT): Expected to see the fastest growth in the U.S., with demand forecast to rise by 14% in 2026 due to data centers and crypto mining.
  • Reliability Risks: The North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC) has warned that demand may outpace supply growth over the next decade, placing several regions at high risk for supply shortfalls.

4. Price Outlook

  • Retail Increases: U.S. residential electricity prices are expected to rise between 13% and 18% by the end of 2026.
  • Wholesale Volatility: Natural gas price fluctuations are expected to keep wholesale markets volatile, with projected spot prices rising toward $4.60/MMBtu in 2027.

Are you interested in the regional forecast for a specific state or utility, or do you need more detail on industrial vs. residential trends?

Okay, thanks for looking for the article.

The AI summary seems to be identifying potential issues and
not current issues with the fuel mix in Texas. Do you agree with that
summary? It does not say solar is a problem; solar is the low cost , least
lag time source to bring online.

Yes the data centers being built and planned for AI and the crypto mining
activities in our state , all consume massive amounts of electricity. Charging EVs
is probably a drop in the bucket compared to crypto and AI centers, but the summary doesn’t break it out.

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All future issues

That’s a lot of 'ifs" isn’t it?

California is home to five of the country’s 10 smoggiest places, as defined by levels of ozone pollution, and also to five of the worst 10 cities by particle pollution, according to the report. L.A., Visalia, Bakersfield, Fresno and San Diego were among the list of cities most polluted by ozone. Bakersfield, Visalia, Fresno, L.A. and Sacramento were in the top 10 for worst particle pollution.

Which is why they’re the state pushing the hardest for green energy.

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More recently I remember posts about fires specifically with the Cyber truck relating to how hard it is to escape or rescue someone out of it during a fire.

Right, the initial propaganda was EVs are a dangerous tinderbox that
can catch fire and burn down your house. That, from years of real world
evidence, is a red herring.

Fire issue 2 is the doors are inaccessible to external bystanders or internal
occupants in emergency situations. That’s just a stupid design flaw for the
sake of having a sleek appearance. Only one vendor has that problem as far
as I know and is under a federal safety investigation.

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Likely will also be part of civil litigation if it isn’t already.

Your argument is FOR electric vehicles.

Is that what you mean to do?

So,

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See what I mean? :sleepy:

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I drove my Tesla to Denton and back this weekend. Used FSD the entire time. It was amazing.

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FIFY

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Los Angeles Long-Term Trend (Down):
Air quality has significantly improved over the last 30 years due to stricter regulations.
Unhealthy ozone days have dropped by nearly 40% since 2000.

That’s a bad @Cougardue, you’re treating him as a serious person

Knock Katey Sagal GIF by ABC Network

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I live here. I’ve lived there.

This is paradise. Sorry pal, sorry you’re so jealous, but it is.

Gonna jump in the pool tomorrow.

I lived in one of the places listed above (Bakersfield) and didn’t think it was a hellhole. We loved living there and in CA. Air quality was really bad in Bakersfield but a lot of that is because it’s in the central valley like most of the places on that list. That context matters.

That said, this thread isn’t about air quality. Let’s not derail it and get back to EVs. We’ve done a good job of keeping it going.

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