I’d like to see a political ban on the term “traditional student” on purely political grounds not to mention nauseating grounds.
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Political discussion isn’t allowed, remember?
Given that, nor are political “bans.”
So the reason UH isn’t on the graph is because UH doesn’t store the #1/#2 data?
Brother this reminds me of the story they told us on our first day of law school:
“Look to your right and to your left. The person on your left will be an A student and the one on your right will be a C student. The A student will make a great law professor or judge, and all of the B students and most of the A students will be working for the C students!”
I would like a ban on the entire “traditional campus” conversation, to be honest.
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Discussing college sports without acknowledging the place of politics in them is challenging.
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Texas Southern will absolutely never be part of the UH system. I’m pretty confident they’d rather have the university shuttered first. If by some chance they were forced to join a university system, we’d likely be their last choice, precisely because they’ve seen folks from UH like 92010 looking at them like a dog looks at a steak for the last several generations.
Replacing “college sports” with “almost anything” would have my support.
This be like…
I think we just have to accept that this is likely never going to change and that we should embrace UH’s identity.
- Texas Public Schools are an anomaly - Both UT and A&M get tons of Houston kids, as well as tons of Dallas & San Antonio kids. Austin and rural kids are also mixed in. Therefore, Houston kids are forced to live near or on campus at UT/A&M
- UH gets predominantly Houston kids that live in various areas including 30+ minute far our suburbs, many of whom see living away from home a waste of money or simply unaffordable
- SEC schools outside of Texas with some exceptions such as Georgia, have a MUCH HIGHER out of state student population
- If we are just talking about the city of Houston, UT dominates the inner loop. If they don’t go to UT, then likely opt for private schools or out of state public schools.
- Texas A&M has historically dominated the suburbs of Houston (due to the conservative culture), but Houston has slowly creeped its way into completion
That being said, UH will never be like an SEC school. It’s simply not set up that way especially since it’s located in a large city. The target demographic of students that some of you guys want UH to have would require UH essentially replacing Aggie pipelines in suburbs while also getting the inner loop kids (rich kids) to go to UH instead of UT
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They do not store any class ranking data.
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That’s from a few years ago, but more high schoolers from the Houston area choose UH over other schools in the state more often than not.
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See I don’t really buy this notion that just because a school is located in a large city that it somehow can’t be more traditional.
If you’ve ever been to either UCLA or Washington or GaTech, you’ll see that that is simply NOT the case.
Hell, even UT is now located in a pretty big city.
I actually reject the notion that schools founded post-bellum like GaTech and UT and A&M are “traditional” to begin with. There are some who would say that public schools are by definition non-traditional.
That’s just one element, which is why I alluded that Texas schools are an anomaly
- There are merely 2 power schools in Georgia
- 1 in Washington.
- California has 4 power schools
- Texas has 7 power schools
My point is that the student base is already highly scattered, and therefore, there is not enough kids in a particular demographic (or “traditional students” I HATE THIS DESCRIPTION BY THE WAY) for UT, A&M and Houston to all have similar culture.
In other words - If UH becomes a “traditional school”, then either A&M or Texas Tech would have to see some sort of decline.
For Houston to change, it would require the next 2-3 generations to choose UH over UT & A&M at their own will, and not because they didn’t get accepted into UT or A&M (or Tech)
Nonsense.
There are public universities dating all the way back to the late 1700s and early 1800s.
Including UNC (1789), Georgia (1795), and UVa (founded by none other than Thomas Jefferson in 1819).
All three are very traditional, according to the definitions that I provided above.
Age and “post-bellum” having nothing to do with it.
One of the earliest impact USSC cases, Dartmouth v. Woodward, the case that established, among other things, that corporations have constitutional rights (specifically the right to contract in that case) that the state can’t interfere with, involved an attempt by the State of New Hampshire to take over Dartmouth College and make it a state U.
Yeah but those particular schools get a lot of rich white kids…
and I hope that’s not what this message board is specifically referring to when they say “traditional students”
Both UT and UH have similar diversity statistically, but UT’s most competitive schools such as McCombs School of Business, are largely white students
Bauer is very diverse and I would guess is 50% Hispanic
Nope. It means SPECIFICALLY what I said.
Race and wealth ain’t a part of it.
It’s slightly part of it
Not in a racist context, but just the way universities have traditionally existed
Like I said, for a long time, the inner loop and white suburban kids largely ignored UH
Oh, so nearly a century after Yale? Yeah, suuuuuuuuper traditional.
The only public school that MIGHT have a claim to being traditional is William & Mary, if you don’t believe that their acquisition by the state ruined them. Everyone else is a glorified trade school.