OT: More Proof UH Is Transforming to Traditional Campus

UH needs a Greek Row and an Entertainment District.

This is not new. UH also needed that 40 and even 50 years ago.

U. of Arizona has a free Trolley system originating on Campus, heads West thru their Entertainment District, past Off-Campus High Rise residential buildings, then to another Entertainment area, then to Downtown,which has Bars and Clubs and an Outdoor entertainment section with live music and dancing,

The Trolleys run until 2 am. Never need a car.

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I think it is going to come down to outside investors at this point. They’re going to have to come in. UH can only do so much. Maybe even light a fire in the belly if a lot of outsiders come in or so.

Yet, none of his kids SELECTED to attend the University of Houston
they chose SEC


and that one politician stopping development is no longer around

How about this?

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Tell me please. How does this sorority house at UT compare to anything at UH? Answer is obvious: completely different culture for those who keep saying that UT and UH are the same. On campus, off campus blah blah blah.

All right Cullen, we give up - wave your magic wand and make it happen

No one I know has ever compared UH’s Greek System to UT’s Greek System. The closest anyone has come is aspirational. Anything else is devoid of reality.

Pretty sure they got into much more prestigious schools.

What about the school of thought where UH gave an alum the opportunity to get a job to send their kid to a school far better than UH? Like come on now.

Some kids want to have their own way or smth like that

Of course UH’s Greek system isn’t comparable to UT’s.

That’s not the point.

The point is that we need to have one closer to theirs, a campus life more residential and traditional, and less commuterish, etc.

We need to take affirmative steps to move in THAT direction, and away from the old ways.

Until we do, we will still have all the same undesirable effects we now see from NOT doing that (poor campus life, low sports attendance and fandom/ticket sales/school spirit, low alumni donor rates, low graduation rates, etc).

The best way to create those effects would have been through a freshman housing mandate.

Too bad Whitmire torpedoed that and put us back on the same old track that has had those same negative effects.

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I think drastic action will only help with getting more traditional students at this point.

  1. Add football, basketball, sports related questions on the application.
    This is the easiest and low cost solution to weed out future non-ROI students.

  2. Ultimatum to our children of either attend UH and we will support you or attend another school and you are on your own.

  3. Offer more scholarships and grants than what UT and A&M is offering.

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I don’t think Whitmire really torpedoed the effort. He’s just a symptom, not the cause.

The cause is lack of culture, at least in my mind. And it’s not racist - it’s socioeconomic. For too long, UH has been a school for the working class and UT has been a school for Texas’ “sons and daughters”. It’s a hard culture to overcome, no matter how many people you put on campus.

The reality/perception is:

  • Indian parents with means will not send their kids to UH
  • Asian parents with means will not send their kid to UH
  • White parents with means will not send their kids to UH
  • Black parents with means will not send their kids to UH
  • Blue parents with means will not send their kids to UH
  • All of the above think UH is for smart and POOR kids who have to live at home and don’t give a damn about community
  • These are the so called smart kids that the school gets
  • Then they make it, because the education is good. They then go to work for Exxon as an engineer and never look back
  • They then send their kids to UT, because well that’s what upper middle class people do

There are exceptions of course, but I think that’s generally the rule. Myself included seeing as I’m so rah rah ivy.

Sure, there are plenty of folks getting financial aid at UT, but they have different aspirations. And even those kids feel it’s a big privilege to attend games and have the college experience.

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Why on earth do you keep comparing UCLA and U of H?
You clearly have never been to Westwood or set foot on UCLA’s campus. If you did you would do what? How do we improve an entire neighborhood for UH and TSU? Let’s call as spade a spade here. The City of Houston has failed miserably at “attempting” to help the Third ward. African Americans started to leave the Third Ward after the voting act of 1965 and relocated to suburban areas. What did the City of Houston do to help improve the Third Ward? Until after this happens you have no business creating an idea that we should emulate/copy UCLA. Write about something that you know about instead of making stuff up.

Not saying our neighborhood will ever resemble Westwood.

But we should attempt to emulate UCLA in most other respects (academics, research, social, traditionalism, residentialism, destinationism, etc).

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What is the state mandate for in state students? Many states have a 90% in state mandate, and even those that don’t are looking to increase it. Why? The main reason is due to the new bans on affirmative action. Most state politicians are now demanding that state colleges accept pretty much only in state students. I know, shocking that taxpayers demand that schools that receive their money take their kids first. How dare they!!! :smirk:

Not sure this is accurate, but the AI model I asked said that Texas public universities are not mandated to have any specific percentage of Texas residents as students.

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The whole city is the entertainment district.

Yes that is correct, but due to the top 10% rule, there is an effective cap of about 10% on out of state students at the top 4 state universities (UT-Austin, TAMU, UH and TTU).

As you know, TX requires all state schools to accept any student who graduates in the top 10% of their HS class (For UT its top 6%). Due to the size of TX, that has resulted in most state schools being about 90 to 95% in state students. UT-Austin is 92%, while TAMU, TTU, and UH was 5.07%, 8.04% and 2.62%, respectively. However, UH had 3.56% of its students are international, which is among the highest in the state, and actually higher than TAMU.

Based on what my sister told me, CA implemented a Top 5% rule a few years ago, and as a result, its schools have also become way more CA focused. Ironically, it has also resulted in many CA HS grads going to other surrounding top tier universities like CU Boulder, ASU, Utah, Arizona, Oregon, and even places like Iowa, Purdue, Bama and Kansas, all of which have shortages of young people that are college ready.

Man, you are clueless.

Yes, Norbert, and its resulted in UH being the least supported P4 program with the least valuation for Athletic department.

How hard is it to admit a University themed district, adjacent to campus, helps make Cougars time at UH that much more better?

Is it THAT HARD for you to care about future Cougars??

Does UH have data that shows that individual donors that lived on campus at some point donate at a higher rate than those that never lived on campus? I have never seen any numbers on this and my guess is UH does not track this.

I would like to test the theory that living on campus increases the student’s connection to the university, which in turn, leads those students to donate at a higher percentage than those that did not.

It would be interested to see the breakdown.

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