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PV is a special case. Sul Ross helped with the founding of PV since Black people couldnât go to A&M.
Hence why PV is known as Black Texas A&M today.
As I said, UHâs neighborhood will never be like Westwood.
But we should certainly try to resemble UCLA in the other ways that I mentioned, and our city needs to make the eyesore of a neighborhood across Scott Street a little less of an eyesore.
I agree with Cullen that that area needs to be developed into a university hub of some kind.
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Im not sure if the Third Ward has its own Management District but most of the city is divided into Management Districts- think of a city within a city.
Then, the Management District offers tax incentives to developers to steer the direction that they want.
The Downtown and Uptown Management Districts and the Upper Kirby Management District are perfect examples.
With Downtown, they issued a Downtown Living Initiative to increase residential developments in Downtown by offering huge tax incentives.
It was a huge success!
Then within the District, they vote on how their tax revenue is to be used to preserve value.
In Uptown, they use some of the tax revenue for those fancy intersection elipses
I am not against UH evolving.
My issue is you continuing to throw around âlow ROIâ commuter students.
Enough with that crap.
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My issue is that you canât connect the dots
Go back and watch last weeks HOME OPENER and notice how the whole upper deck was empty.
Then go watch the other P4 games and understand that High ROI alums have had their HOME OPENER circled on their calendar for months. They WANT ro be connected to their alma mater
Id say the overwhelming majority of our alums had no idea we even had a game.
P4 Athletic departments are incredibly expensive and its not sustainable to keep churning out low ROI Alums that donât help us.
And thats just an athletic support exampleâŠapathy can show up in a hundred different categories
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Does the University support football to attract students and create successful alumni or is the goal for the University to create alumni to create a successful football team? I love UH football, but I think you are missing the ultimate goal.
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Itâs complicated bc highly successful football schools attract students and in a round about way make the degree worth more in prestige.
There was a son of my boss that got admitted to rice and A&M and the kid said he wanted to go to a school known for football so he chose A&M.
Now that weâre big12 it helps but athletics is that front porch . No one would ever care to to go to Alabama if Bama didnât have high profile football.
It is what is is
Now if you took away all sports teams , no one would really care which school and maybe the schools like rice , stanford etc would rule. Lsu would be nothing without the sec affiliation.
At least weâre trending up with big 12 affiliation
We could move campus over to River Oak, thatâll do it.
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THATâS what we are talking about!
Do we ONLY want to be a degree factory or do we want to create a lifelong bond with our students and alums.
Academics is only part of the college development of a 18-22 year old.
There are so many other things to benefit the students IF we were more Traditional.
Why are we fighting against ALSO developing our students in other ways?
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I was talking about UI - Chicago, not UIUC. UIUC is a flagship akin to UT-Austin. Not comparable to UH.
Umm, I donât want pay $100K to develop a âbondâ.
You people live in a fantasy world. Young people are graduating college without jobs, massive debt and little in the way of an economic future and you want to make the problem worse?
Some of you guys really need to step outside and talk to young people. I get that many on this board skew 60 plus, but jesus a lot of you guys are really out of touch with reality.
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Cleveland State is 1/4 the size of UH, located in downtown Cleveland, and nowhere near as academically reputable as UH is today, nor is it a flagship of its system. Itâs more comparable to UHD than it is to UH.
UH is part of the next generation of public universities; itâs not a coincidence that weâve shared athletic conferences with UCF and USF and Temple and Cincinnati, all of which also serve major urban areas and remain very good schools despite serving commuters. USF is AAU, and Temple is a top-50 public. Both of them are hovering around the same on-campus percentage as UH.
I know you want to believe that itâs one or the other, and that any school that allows a kid to stay off-campus is functionally a community college, but youâre wrong. Thereâs clearly an emergent model for high-quality urban public universities, of which UH is a part.
You know who doesnât mind UH being a degree factory, all the UH graduates with successful careers. Also getting rid of the local kids just shuts the door for an affordable degree for the city residents. This showed up in my feed, it was wear your school shirt day at city hall. UH represented well, probably because we are a degree factory.
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I gotta tell ya. Even Cincy and Temple are more traditional than UH.
USF is AAU and is literally the ONLY AAU member with an institutional profile similar to UH in terms of commuterism. That said, they do about twice the biomedical research that we do (a factor preferred by the AAU), so even there, the similarities arenât precise. Of course, USF is NOT P4. Nor is Temple for that matter.
Cincy is R1, P4, and urban public, like UH. But its research budget is almost twice ours; really not sure why they arenât AAU, especially given the strength of their medical school.
Cincy also hasâŠhold your breathâŠa FRESHMAN HOUSING MANDATE for all unmarried true freshmen not residing within 50 miles of campus.
And even those living within 50 miles have to formally request an exemption, and must live at their âpermanent addressâ (thatâs code for living with parents or legal guardians, essentially).
https://www.uc.edu/campus-life/housing/apply/terms-conditions.html
They also have a pretty significant percentage of students living on campus (25%).
So you see, even Cincy is more âtraditionalâ than UH.
Cleveland State was founded under the type of model that many people here would prefer UH stick with. See here.
In 1964, the State of Ohio purchased the entirety of Fenn Collegeâs campus in downtown Cleveland and established a commuter college that targeted area residents.
Isnât that what most of the âanti-traditionalistsâ want for UH?
WellâŠas you can seeâŠthat model is generally not one that creates a high level of prestige, campus life, sports excellence, fandom, alumni engagement, or involvement.
Back when I was in Cleveland, CSU literally had one one dormitory with only about 500 students; it was all commuter, otherwise.
Now, to be fair, that is changing. Theyâve started building more dorms, and have figured out that the âcommuterâ model generally doesnât produce a super high end product, so kudos to them for trying to improve.
Why then, do people here seem to have an issue with UH doing more of the sameâŠand having a freshman housing mandate like CincyâŠand insist that UH do more of a âCleveland Stateâ sort of thing?
Dumb, isnât it?
Remind us again, whatâs the population of Cincinnati and Cleveland?
So what youâre saying is that a school can increase the amount of research it does and its academic quality while still serving commuters and remaining accessible to local residents? Because USF clearly does it. Temple does too; they have the same on-campus percentage as UH does in the status quo.
Cleveland State isnât a comparison. They only have a handful of doctoral programs; they almost exclusively grant Bachelorâs degrees. As previously mentioned, theyâre closer to UHD than they are to UH; nobody has proposed that for UH, nor will they.
You know what would make college more worth it. Is if it looks fun, if you get to learn and you get a job you like.
We dont have the connections and thats probably why its difficult to find a job, its because your networking in college is important.
Its not fun when your peers arent at the games or at the parties and its not fun if youre not getting the knowledge you paid for. UH is trying but its not a student problem, its a funds to student life problem. If they allocated more funds into the atmosphere and doing things after 5pm they would have everyone coming back. Theyve lost alot of money on coaches and other things the last decade. And their alumni arent all giving. So youre ruining the future to catch up to the present.
Cincyâs population is quite a bit smaller than Houstonâs, but UCincyâs enrollment is over 40K, like UH.
And their endowment is $2 billion (higher than UH, depending on how we count the new fund), and their research budget is over $500 million per year (about twice UH).
And they have a freshman housing mandateâŠ
And a higher percentage of students living on campusâŠ
See what greater âtraditionalismâ will do for you?
Cleveland State has long run with a nearly all commuter model. We can all see how that turns out.
Obviously Clevelandâs population and CSUâs enrollment are smaller than Houstonâs and UHâs respectively, but that does not dispute or invalidate any point that Iâve made.
I know, but you also mentioned UIUC in the same post.
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