OT: Texas A&M's 12th Man Donations Down

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The reason aTm would be a market grab is precisely because of the size of their BRAND.

They have huge legions of fans that will tune in on streaming media from all over the country.

We won’t have as many.

And as far as the Houston market goes, the B1G has never needed any TX market in order to be the biggest money conference, so there seems to be little incentive for them to add one for that reason.

And if they wanted one “just because,” I’m pretty sure that aTm or UT would deliver any TX market including Houston better than UH would.

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Honestly why would A&M ever leave the sec? I don’t see that happening. Therefore if the big wanted in Texas they have us , tech , smu or tcu but the big seems to like markets and yes they like brands but of the 4 , I like our chances if we get our act together bc tech is not a big market and the others are private. Would the big want another private school when they get more by adding houston. I think if push comes to shove if they want in Texas, they pick us. Right now no need but if the sec makes more power moves , they could grab us if for no other reason than to aggravate the sec, UT and A&M.

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Simple.

Bigger media paycheck in the B1G.

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Again - I think brand size vs market size is not a one or the other argument. It depends on the school. I agree that A&M or UT have obviously powerful brands over UH or even a Tech/SMU.

Also, while A&M may get slightly more in the B1G, it doesn’t really make sense travel wise. The gap isn’t wide enough to justify the travel. UT could’ve easily joined the B1G, but they joined the SEC because it makes more sense travel wise.

Adding UH would not be for its brand. It would be to get people in the south to watch more B1G games (from a network perspective, more FOX games). The B1G probably has 3-4 schools that can truly get people in the south to watch their games currently - Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State & USC.

However, if those schools + the next tier down (Nebraska, Oregon, UCLA, WIsconson, etc.) played 5-6 games @ Houston, I would highly expect people in Texas to tune into those games especially people in the Houston area that aren’t UH alums.

I agree that B1G doesn’t need more money, but it would be strategic to compete with ESPN by grabbing viewership from SEC territory which gets more money from ad/commercial revenue, which does benefit FOX.

It’s capitalism at the end of the day.

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Paycheck doesn’t matter if the Aggies would have to spend a chunk of it on traveling across the country half their season.

It’s not just football.

UH, on the other hand, doesn’t have the SEC paycheck. They would gladly take a B1G invite over being the Big 12

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I don’t think A&M would move for just a little more money that the big could offer. Culturally , their alumni love the sec and wouldn’t approve of it. They are a perfect sec fit and in the big10 they’d be out of that cultural fit. UT would fit the big10 but the ship sailed. It’s just us, tech,smu and tcu in Texas if the big wants in this market.

You honestly think A&M will give up the games vs Lsu, etc to go north? Not gonna happen.

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A&M is the poster child for the culture of the SEC

No way…as in 0% will they ever be in the same conference with a USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Maryland, etc

They were appalled at the notion of going to the PAC decades ago due to political differences…things have gotten many times worse.

Most of the SEC is biting their tongue by allowing that school from “Keep Austin weird” but they wanted the $$$$

TAMU will never go to the B1G…the westen expansion means NEVER.

The B1G will come after Houston.

Why? Because Texas is NOT B1G country. .noone in Houston is watching a Purdue vs Rutgers game.

Boy, that would change if it’s a matchup IN UH’s conference.

How do i know …because i never watched Big 12 games before we joined…could count them on one hand.

Now i watch as many as i can

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Profit and revenue sharing?

Like how many investors and developers out there would SALIVATE at the thought of that area being populated by students who literally want to spend their money on college experience? I’d invest in a business easy.

Someone has GOT to know somebody with much more knowledge than any of us here on how to get it done. Not just a general benefit to UH, but TSU as well. A lot of the locals in the area do work at the universities or at businesses near, so adding some could create more jobs. An internship program for Hilton or Bauer students on the office side…

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As long as UH is both a bottom 15 P4 brand AND non-AAU, the B1G will NOT be coming after UH.

So don’t put money on it happening anytime soon, if ever.

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First of all……

It’s more than a little more.

It’s like tens of millions more.

Second of all……

They would not be living under UT’s shadow.

Remember….that’s why they left the Big 12 in the first place.

In the same way that they got pissed at UT running the show there and left….they might likewise do the same thing with the SEC as UT asserts more and more dominance and influence in that league.

Third of all….I’m not exactly sure what “cultural” fit means.

White rednecks???

I can tell you this much.

As a public co-flagship rural land grant AAU member with medical and veterinary schools, aTm’s INSTITUTIONAL fit is closer to the B1G than the SEC.

It’s more like Illinois, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State, or Wisconsin than it is Ole Miss, Bama, Georgia, or Tennessee in terms of institutional profile.

Some alums may be pissed, but ultimately, it’s administrators that make that call….and they might for all those reasons.

Not saying they will….but it cannot be ruled out for all the reasons I stated.

And that it is why it is ALREADY being rumored among the talking heads.

As far as UH, any Big 12 school, including UH, would automatically jump at an SEC or B1G bid if the offer came….FOR THE BIGGER PAYCHECK.

Bottom line: no Big 12 brand, much less UH, is big enough to attract their interest, so it ain’t happening.

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I’m 100 percent convinced A&M will never leave the sec for the big 10. Travel costs would go up and zero regional rivalries and they would be on island while UT soaks up the sec . In the south the sec is king and A&M would become an afterthought to UT even more. So A&M to the big 10 will never happen and no one leaves the Sec except Ga Tech and Tulane decades ago. Not gonna happen.

Oh UH , again “if the big10 wants in Texas” , we do have a shot but it’s if they really want to bother the sec by doing so which could be an angle for them especially if the sec grabs more power teams from the Acc. However the big10 would have other options like Kansas, Arizona, Colorado over UH.

Just saying A&M isn’t ever leaving the sec and no one makes that mistake ever again and “if the big10 wants” in Texas , we do have a good shot bc tech is in a low pop area and the others competing with us like smu and tcu are private. If they don’t mind adding a private school then we have competition but tcu has waned and we are in an area approaching 8 mil.

So summary is

-A&M won’t leave
-If they want in Texas, we have a shot, forget brand if they want in bc it’s us,tcu,smu and tech so those are the 4 options and no of them have brand over us in a major way and all things considered, houston would be the best option
-where you could be right is the big 10 simply grabs Colorado, UTah, Kansas etc over us if they simply want expansion, however the discussion is if they want into Texas and in that case look at the 4 options and Houston would be the best longterm option if they choose that route.

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Sure didn’t stop USC and UCLA from bolting.

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A&M and SEC fans talk the same. A&M won’t leave for the B1G because their fans talk with accents.

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That was from a perceived lesser conf from the pac to big10 which made some sense but the sec is a big dog and teams don’t voluntarily leave the sec or big in this modern era.

So again if the discussion is if they want in Texas, we do have a shot of having them pick us over smu,tcu or tech which is the topic and I like our chances of the 4.

If it’s brands like you say and they simply want expansion then Colorado,UTah , Kansa , arizona etc will win over us brand wise.

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Is the SEC really still the “Big Dog” though?

Seems to me that the B1G has surpassed it in the last two seasons. The SEC hasn’t even played for the title in the last two years, while the B1G has actually WON it.

And in terms of money, as I said, the SEC is tens of millions per year behind the B1G.

More than enough of a difference to cover travel costs.

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A&M would gain some money but lose on rivalries and that fit. A&M isn’t hurting for money and they want to play Lsu etc over Michigan st etc. Their fans won’t accept that change. The big offers a little more money but that is it and it’s not worth it all things considered. They would escape UT to end up an afterthought and their fans can’t easily travel up north vs what they have now.

So again the focus is if the big 10 wanted in Texas , what options do they have .

Again I see them grabbing Kansas etc before us but it depends on if they want to fight the sec and mess with Texas is the question.

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As for this, there’s no evidence that they “want in” Texas; they never have in the past, and that hasn’t prevented them from the becoming the Top money conference; seems to be little incentive for them to “want in.”

AND…

If they wanted in…they would try to poach either UT or aTm, as AAU schools that actually ADD VALUE per team.

UH, TCU, SMU, and Tech would all be non-AAU schools that DON’T add value.

So in the end…if they can’t get UT or aTm…then they could probably care less about “getting into” Texas. Won’t necessarily hurt them (they’re already the top conference without being in Texas), and in any event, only UT or aTm would both meet their AAU requirement, AND help them in terms of value per school; no other TX brand is big enough.

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Doubt the BIG10 will take any school from Texas, or any state that have something in common with Texas.

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I can imagine them taking UT or aTm…but that’s it.

If they can’t get either of them, then no one here should be fantasizing that they will be coming for UH.

Expansion is all about adding value with the biggest brands, not diluting it with one of the smallest brands in the P4.

Our market will NOT help us in that regard, any more than it has helped Georgia Tech, Stanford, Cal, Boston College, USF, Temple, or Tulane get into the P2. BRANDS MATTER MORE.

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Washington County, you poor unfortunate people.