And even going with $800 a month, that still doesn’t win out.
There are dorms at UH that are less than $3,600 per semester. Over a five month semester, that’s LESS than $800 per month, with NO utilities, and NO gasoline or oil change expense, and no renter’s insurance.
So even with your far outside the average exceptions, you still LOSE.
Again, STOP insisting that we be more like Cleveland State than UCLA or Pitt.
Why would you prefer the Cleveland State model?
So you do want kids to go into debt.
Because far outside the average is false. I gave you examples. You simply ignore them.
You have an agenda and it’s not a positive one.
And I gave you a COUNTER example that’s LESS than the $800 a month examples that YOU gave.
And yes, those EXCEPTIONAL examples you gave are far outside the average cost of rent in Houston, which is over $1K per month for even a one bedroom.
https://www.apartments.com/rent-market-trends/houston-tx/
Average rent for a one bedroom in Houston is $1,171 per month, which is way higher than the $720 per month for on campus housing, with all utilities paid, and NO gasoline, oil change, or renter’s insurance expense. Add in furnishings, and you create even greater expense.
In other words, ON AVERAGE you’re probably going to pay almost TWICE per month to live off campus than on.
Sorry, but it is what it is.
YOU apparently want our students to go more deeply into debt, given that. I want to save them that expense, by contrast.
You have an agenda, and it’s to make UH more like Cleveland State, AND put out students more deeply into debt. That’s NOT a positive agenda.
I, by contrast, have an agenda to makes us higher ranked, AND save students money on average, as I just illustrated.
That makes my agenda…BETTER!!!
Again, if students want to save money, then they can either live with Mommy and Daddy for a year, or go to a JUCO. Otherwise, as freshmen, they should be on campus.
Just forget it. I can always tell the people on here who are either old, went to school for free, and/or don’t have college age kids by the way the toss around other people’s money as if its theirs. It is usually the same people who complain most about taxes and other government programs.
Like I said before, UH can do whatever it wants, but if it goes the direction proposed by many on this board, it will do so without any donations from me.
I think you mean the direction proposed by our Chancellor, Dr. Renu Khator.
Never amazes me how many people here haven’t actually watched the Centennial Presentation and then attack those of us that are aligned with that vision.
If you didnt want us the be a Traditional University you should have stopped donating the second OUR LEADERS declared they wanted to be a Power # University.
Yes, that Power status is about so much more than just Athletics…it’s about being in the class of other well-rounded Destination Universities
Playboy did have them as one of the top ranked party schools at one point so there’s that.
Law school students are very different than average undergraduates, especially freshmen. It’s mostly home or dorms. For those with financial constraints, there are cheaper options nearby. My A&M nephews went straight off campus to save money. Many parents want their kids to have the “dorm experience” so they live on campus one year and then move into area apartments or homes with friends to save money.
Hey you are welcome to reach into your pockets and give money to support this plan.
I will put mine in equities.
I am pretty sure that you won’t prefer my perspective, because it sounds like I’m just a “low ROI” to you…but maybe this will help to bridge a gap in understanding that (or why) not all see it identically to your perspective.
I transferred from community college to UH, and at first commuted. Later lived in Moody Towers, the Quad, Cougar place, and finally Cougar place apartments. Loved my time at UH, graduated with honors (2 degees). Still pleased about my choices and to this day, I root for our Coogs sports teams like most here do.
But I will be honest…the biggest disconnect I have with what I perceive to be yours (and maybe UH’s current new ambition according to you) is that I simply don’t feel anywhere near the level of personal “ownership” of that ambition as you seem to feel should be a given.
Don’t misunderstand, I do hope for the best for UH and I don’t oppose good ideas for improving things at UH (whatever is involved). And I still want to cry everytime I see a clip of Lorezo Charles scoring the game winning bucket. But I just don’t view it like you seem to view it. Maybe I’m alone in that regard and/or maybe that makes me a horrible alumni and or “low ROI”. But I’m being honest.
As an analogy…When I choose to buy groceries at Krogers, I do so for my reasons. I select what I do (or don’t) wish to purchase for the current transaction. I pay their asking prices for my selected items. Then I move on to whatever I have planned next accepting that I got what I was looking to get out of it.
I do hope they (my local Krogers store) stays in business for my future convenience, for other shoppers, and for those that work there. If they had a sports team, I’d root for it. Go Kroger’s badminton!
But just being honest, I don’t feel obligated to donate money to them nor start a campaign of any sort to make them a better grocery store…nor sweat over them becoming better prepared to outdo their competition. The truth is my choosing of them was basically transactional.
That may be harsh or even worse… all messed up in others’ opinions. I just don’t view my choice of colleges that way (as a perpetual obligation or pursuit…and certainly not as a religion. It’s an independence thing in my mind and is actually one of the reasons I wanted to go UH. I liked that it was NOT like A&M.
Again, I’m guessing that might ruffle some feathers. But maybe it helps to recognize there are various levels of passion about such things. Should I give back my degrees now? 
You don’t have to give your degrees back or apologize. But moving forward, I think that the administration probably wants to garner more alumni that do care and are passionate.
Except that the administration has to do better about not alienating the customer. Another thread in the past month mentioned how screwed up the administration has been in garnering any loyalty.
We are fans despite the administration.
Nah, I totally agree the posters who say that we need more fans who care and that we need to be more of a traditional university.
But that has nothing to do with the administration alienating the students and alumni.
How are they alienating them?
Dean,
You aren’t the Low ROI type of student…you are actually an example of a very high ROI student
Many, many, examples have been provided but I’ll list just the few that I’ve experienced and can remember off the top of my head from previous posters comments.
And many more.
But my point isn’t to rehash all the shortcomings. It’s to say that, unless something changes with the administration, it doesn’t matter how “traditional” the campus becomes because the customers won’t care if they are ignored.
Remember, even with “traditional” campuses, the majority of alumni don’t donate. Simply a larger percentage donate than those UH alumni that donate back to UH.
Didn’t Jay Gogue introduce the master plan right before he left for Auburn in 2005? Aren’t we in the midst of that, currently?
Who cares about the view? The indoor facility was well worth it. Our fans complain about anything.
I don’t have an opinion on this. Tailgating can be done anywhere on campus though.
Ok.
Was it majority of students who felt like this or just a small group of them? Although I get the point here, I still side with Renu that athletics spending is important right now.
This happened one time with your ex, right? Same administration or different? Do you have examples of other instances?
All in all, none of this has to do with the original point that UH should seek more dedicated students.
That I have no idea about because my only connection nowadays is with athletics. So if it doesn’t come in an email from athletics, or this message board, I don’t know. But if there is a master plan then football tailgaters have been treated as afterthoughts moving the rv lot. And I totally get that plans can change. Strike while the iron is hot and build TDECU and the indoor practice facility when there’s momentum. But a master plan would have helped the rv tailgaters know what to expect.
It’s irrelevant in the grand scheme of things but just an indicator of a lack of a master plan. Don’t build a notch or there’s plans for the indoor practice facility, or to close off the north end.
The ones in charge of recommending how the student fees should be spent. Whether it represents the larger student body isn’t as important as the power they hold. In confident that the new AD can make that group feel welcome and heard, which is what matters in order to get their funding recommendation.
Yes with my ex although a fortune 5 company willing to to spend over $1milllion a year isn’t insignificant. I was dating a woman at shell who was in a similar department as my ex but without the latitude to spend as much money and I asked her if she’d consider sponsoring one of the UH sports as a complement for the internal events she was in charge of executing. She reminded me that she’s an Aggy so she’d help them first. But that there wouldn’t be any support for it.
That was just a 5 minute convo but I figure it’s an adequate example. As an additional funny comment, she asked me last year I would hire her daughter at one of my companies and I told her if her daughter was a cougar maybe I would but that there was currently no support for hiring her daughter. It was a joke because I explained that we actually weren’t hiring for the time frame her daughter wanted to work. But she understood the inside reference.
Living on campus is full of conveniences (proximity to classes, food is prepared, etc.). Convenience as a rule drives up costs. You can always find examples for both sides of the argument, but at the end of the day, living on campus is not about saving money. My daughter moved into an apartment for her sophmore year. Rates ranged from $500-1800/month. There are better arguments for living on campus than saving money.
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