Bans on both have just been lifted, according to ESPN.
In all 16 players were removed; the MLB now states that a lifetime ban ends at the player’s death when they no longer represent a threat to the integrity of the game.
Could both soon be in the HOF?
One is the all-time hit leader, and the other has a .356 lifetime average.
Both would need 12 of 16 votes from the Classic Era Committee for induction.
Of course they should, imo
Shoeless Joe yes……Pete Rose, no….he bet on his team….no sympathy from me.
Why sympathy for Joe?
Didn’t he supposedly “throw” the 1919 world series, or if nothing else, knew about the fix and did nothing?
Is violating the cardinal rule of betting on baseball enough to keep Rose out? He said he only bet on the Reds to win. But did he bet on them every game? If he didn’t, in those games he didn’t bet on his team to win, he was sending out a signal to the other gamblers. As manager, he could impact those games. Rumors have persisted he bet while playing as well.
Jackson I think has a more plausible case. In the 1919 World Series, he hit .375.and led the Black Sox in most offensive categories. His crime was associating with gamblers (namely his teammates.) If it was his intent to throw the World Series, he didn’t do a very good job of it.
I’ve read that there are some people that are now doubting his role; I even read somewhere that he had attempted to tell Comiskey about the fix but the latter wouldn’t listen.
Regarding his play…the only allegation I’ve heard against him is that the other team hit an unusual number of triples, and that Jackson may have uncharacteristically (intentionally?) been out of position or misplayed some of those balls.
The case is complicated because Jackson gave Grand Jury Testimony implicating himself in the fix, but later signed an affidavit denying any involvement. Which statement is true?
Good news. Hopefully they will soon be inducted in the HOF. Both have served their time of social condemnation. Life ban never made sense to me.
F Pete Rose, he is an admitted rapist.
OK, so what about Jackson?
Look it up.
For me gambling on your own sport is a death sentence.
I can tell you this much.
In Jackson’s grand jury testimony, he admitted getting $5K from Lefty Williams and knowing about the fix, though he denied playing to lose and claimed he always played his best. Of course, he played error free and had 12 hits.
BUT……
He later signed an affidavit disavowing his GJ testimony and claiming no involvement.
Which brings up the following question:
WHICH TIME WAS HE LYING???
Regarding Shoeless Joe, my understanding is that he was not an active participant in the scam, although he had knowledge of it, which was enough to get banned. Judge Landis was a notorious harda** as a judge.
Interesting story: Judge Kennesaw Mountain Landis is actually named after Kennesaw Mountain in Kennesaw, GA. His father, Abraham Landis, was a Union field doctor injured at the Battle of Kennesaw Mountain. He was an Ohioan by birth. In fact he was born in Millville, OH which is about 15 miles from Oxford, OH (home of Miami University).
He was chosen as Commissioner in part because he was a harda**. Judge Landis was also the presiding judge on the Standard Oil Trust cases. He levied the largest fine ever imposed at the time: $29.5M, on Standard Oil (which was later overturned). He later recused himself from the case as it moved up the courts to the Supreme Court. When he was appointed commissioner, he remained on the federal bench. 
Besides the Black Sox scandal, his other “great” achievement was that he maintained the segregation of baseball through the “informal” ban on Black players.
I am a liberal on Pete Rose: dude is the all time hits leader and former MVP and ROY. His crime or such was committed while he was a manager, not a player. Let the man in. For God’s sake Ty Cobb is in the HOF and he was a certified POS even among his peers, none of whom liked him.
Pete was a player/manager during some of the betting….and honestly you can affect the outcome more as a manager.
I believe Pete should get inducted with an asterisk and remark on his plaque.
If Pete gets in, what about the steroids users?
Weren’t all the Black Sox cleared in a trial but the commissioner banned them all anyway ?
None of those guys were banned from baseball.
Yes.
Because while they were not found guilty of any crime, all admitted to the Grand Jury in sworn testimony that they were either actively in on the fix, or knew about it and didn’t report it.
All but one admitted receiving money either from the gamblers themselves, or indirectly from gamblers through a teammate (in Jackson’s case).
Only Buck Weaver neither took money, nor intentionally played badly.
But he still knew about the fix and didn’t tell anyone.
Oscar Felsch, one the players banned for “throwing” the 1919 World Series, later told a Chicago newspaper the following:
Quote: Well, the beans are spilled and I think I’m through with baseball. I got $5,000. I could have got just about that much by being on the level if the Sox had won the Series. And now I’m out of baseball—the only profession I know anything about, and a lot of gamblers have gotten rich. The joke seems to be on us.
For me, Shoeless Joe seems the more obvious one to exclude. He very unambiguously accepted money in connection with a match-fixing scheme. That’s immediately unacceptable; whether he made deliberate errors or not is an academic matter at that point. Rose bet on baseball, but there’s no conclusive evidence that he fixed games, or even gave himself incentive to. It isn’t proven that he bet against his own team, which would have been the only outcome he’d have unilateral control over. (He probably did, and I’d probably vote against him, but that’s speculation.)
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