What does a self driving car do when police are directing traffic?
They are suppose to respond to hand signals, but here is waymo
taking the passenger into an active police standoff. The passenger
was not charged for the extra drama experience.
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Assuming all 62 complaints could have resulted in citations, what would happen to
a human driver that committed 62 traffic violations like FSD ? Same for Waymo.
The probe is part of federal scrutiny of Tesla’s driver-assistance technology as regulators examine claims that vehicles using FSD have committed traffic violations.
NHTSA opened a preliminary evaluation in October and in December sent Tesla a sweeping information request seeking data on consumer complaints, field reports, crashes, lawsuits and internal assessments related to alleged violations involving FSD.
The agency has received 62 complaints and identified additional media and crash reports potentially tied to the issue.
Did one Tesla car commit the 62 “violations?”
One platform did.
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Musk committed every violation himself. That poor guy is so accident prone, he can’t catch a break!
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Well, now they have Robotaxis without a safety monitor. I guess they passed the validation required by Texas, like Waymo had to. Still don’t understand why knock them for complying with a state’s validation requirements, but its done.
BTW, FSD is so safe, compared to human drivers, that you can now get insurance on your FSD equipped Tesla for 50% less than traditional insurance.
https://www.autoblog.com/news/tesla-fsd-could-cut-your-insurance-bill-in-half
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Who knocked them for complying with the state requirements? All I saw in this thread about that was mocking Elon’s overly ambitious pronouncements that Tesla’s robotaxi service could serve half of the U.S. population by the end of 2025, when they hadn’t even moved past the safety monitor requirement, or opened to the general public to riders, and were severly behind Waymo in that area.
Posters were saying Robotaxis need helpers/babysitters, but Waymo didn’t. That’s because Waymo finished their validation with the same babysitters during the period, but making it sound like Robotaxi was inferior because it needed a safety monitor. They just believed the clickbait and ran with it. There was no changing their minds.
Did you read the article you posted ?
From your article and source:
Meanwhile, Tesla’s autonomous and robotaxis services are lagging
While Waymo currently is only testing internationally in the cities mentioned above, its service is level 4 autonomous, which is fully autonomous in certain geographic areas. Tesla’s FSD is considered level 2.
Tesla’s robotaxis, currently operating in Austin and the San Francisco Bay area, have grown in numbers but only modestly.
So, by those metrics, in YOUR article and SOURCE, yes FSD is still behind in the game or inferior. And no 1/2 of the US was not being served by robotaxi by the end of 2025.
Not even 1/2 of Texas is even being served now. Half of Austin maybe ? lol
But we know you worship Musk and think he is being treated unfairly. And he is
the one person responsible for the drop in adoption of EV technology in the US. He benefited greatly from the incentives to help launch Tesla, but worked to
pull the ladder away from other vendors when he had the chance.
US consumers have had access to federal tax breaks on electric vehicles (EVs) for approximately 17 years, starting with the enactment of the Energy Improvement and Extension Act of 2008. These incentives, which offered up to $7,500 for qualified plug-in EVs, remained in place in various forms from late 2008 until being eliminated for most purchases after September 30, 2025.
But you definitely have a unique talent for being a Musk cheerleader.
Thanks for proving my point. No worries, I get it.
Yes but that was in context of comparing the current status of the robotaxis with Elon saying robotaxis would be serving half the U.S. population by the end of 2025. The point was how ridiculous Elon’s predictions are in comparison to where the company actually is.
It was not that waymo was better than robotaxis because robotaxis still had a monitor. It was said that waymo was ahead of the race for the market positioning though.
Sure if that’s what you want to believe, but using “babysitter” like UHlaw97 uses the term “mommy and daddy” sure has another connotation.
It was NRG who said “babysitter”, and it was absolutely in the context I described, I quoted the entire post below. It is clearly in response to Elon’s outlandish predictions, and that Waymo was ahead in the race - exactly as how I described it. So, yes not only is that what I want to believe, what I said was a factual representation of the discussion.
OK, I get it already, it’s just hard to have a conversation about a subject (self driving cars/taxi) without the Musk undertone. Seems like all it is is a way to knock Musk down. All I’m interested in is the technology. It’s the future. I’m looking forward to it. (I thought I made that clear by defending EVs in the EV thread, at first against the right then when it swung to the left.)
But you guys make it another round of Musk hating. Go for it, I guess that make you guys happy.
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Well, because he has made himself the face of those technologies.
You seem to get defensive of him when anyone posts any valid criticism of him or his companies. It isn’t just a bias against him, or anger at his political activities, or whatever. I admit, he gets far more of the criticism than anyone else but that is because he has made himself the face of those technologies.
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Can’t be…
Good they should investigate. Waymo should cooperate fully.
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Yes, this was pointed out in this thread in October 2025. Of course this should be
investigated. Hate to see it’s taken this long for the investigation to commence.
Key, and alarming statement, in that article.
That report led to Waymo’s voluntary software recall in December. However, the school district said in a memo that the robotaxis were seen repeating the same offense days after the software update.
From the bigger picture, to me, a flaw seems to be in an over reliance
on the use of heavily mapped streets in a service area. These vehicles (all vendors) are not really sensing and processing all real time events and breaking laws in the process. I’m also starting to doubt the testing criteria that vendors must meet tombe allowed to operate fully remotely in a state. Doesn’t sound like the regulators have the expertise to do vigorous real world type validation testing and relying more on what the vendors are submitting as proof. Just speculation on my part.
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