The "Way Too Early Top 25" Thread

I thought I’d throw a few of them together. Feels good to see us mentioned so early in a number of different polls. The key takeaway for me is that we should start the season already in the conversation. No fighting our way up to just get votes. Now…as long as we don’t “Husky It” (jab at Washington)…we should live in the upper part of the polls throughout the season.

If you run into any I’ve not included, add them in. Fun to see what others think about our rising program.

  1. Houston
    247Sports Composite recruiting class ranking: 25
    Houston finished in a three-way tie for the AAC regular season championship with a defense that improved over the course of the season. And Kelvin Sampson’s bunch did that with a young roster; Chris Harris was the lone rotational player who was a senior. Houston could lose a player or two to testing the waters or eventually going pro, but whatever they return — along with that No. 25 recruiting class — should be ready to win 25 or so games.

No. 22:
Sophomore guards Caleb Mills and Quentin Grimes are both returning after leading the team in scoring. Houston finished first in the American Athletic Conference and is only losing one senior. The Cougars run a fast-paced offense and are a fun team to watch in transition.


16. [Houston Cougars]
Houston never quite looked as good as the metrics pegged the Cougars, but Kelvin Sampson’s team should be more consistent next season. There’s a chance all but one starter return, although [DeJon Jarreau] and [Quentin Grimes] could have NBA draft decisions to make. If both return – along with starter [Nate Hinton] and sixth man extraordinaire [Caleb Mills] (13.2 PPG) – Sampson will have the most talented quartet in the AAC by some distance. The Cougars also bring in ESPN 100 prospect [Tramon Mark] and Idaho transfer [Cameron Tyson] (13.5 PPG, 42.9% 3PT) to help on the perimeter. They will have to figure out the frontcourt, as there isn’t much proven behind [Fabian White]. It’s hard to doubt Sampson at this point, though, as the Cougars have won 83 games the past three seasons and had a top-21 defense all three campaigns.


10. Houston (23-8)
Kelvin Sampson’s teams have ended the season ranked in the top 20 of KenPom for three consecutive years. Next year’s Cougars could be his most experienced group yet. Nate Hinton, Quentin Grimes, Marcus Sasser, and Caleb Mills lead a stacked roster of veterans.


13. Houston

Kelvin Sampson’s Houston teams have been nothing if not consistent, and should get pretty much everyone back, assuming DeJon Jarreau and Quentin Grimes return. Sixth man and scoring specialist Caleb Mills will look to follow up a strong freshman year, and Nate Hinton and Marcus Sasser round out a solid perimeter rotation. The Cougars again look like favorites in the AAC, and shouldn’t be slept on. Mills, in particular, was one of this season’s better-kept secrets nationally.



  • GONE : Chris Harris
  • COMING BACK : Quentin Grimes, Caleb Mills, Marcus Sasser, Fabian White, Justin Forham, Brison Gresham, Cedrick Alley
  • WAIT AND SEE : DeJon Jarreau, Nate Hinton
  • NEW FACES : Tramon Mark, Jamal Shead, Kiyron Powell
  • PROJECTED STARTERS : Marcus Sasser, Caleb Mills, Quentin Grimes, Nate Hinton, Fabian White
    We all know that Kelvin Sampson can coach, and he will be bringing back a roster where his top six scorers were all underclassmen from a team that finished top 15 on KenPom. They are going to be loaded in the backcourt — Kansas transfer Quentin Grimes might end up being their third or fourth best guard — and there will be some veterans in their frontcourt. The Cougars look to be the favorite in the American.

16. [Houston Cougars]

Houston will be aided by the likely return of their top six scorers from a season ago, with maybe guard DeJon Jarreau sitting as one of the only question marks in that group. They’ll throw Idaho transfer Cameron Tyson and a solid recruiting group into the mix and the wheels like keep turning for Kelvin Sampson and the Cougars. A third straight NCAA Tournament is in sight.


21. Houston – We all know Kelvin Sampson can coach, and the Cougars should be the favorites in the AAC next season since none of his top six scorers are seniors. Caleb Mills led the team in scoring this season as a freshman, and fellow frosh Marcus Sasser should also take a jump.


23. Houston Cougars
Houston found itself in the Top 25 for most of the second half of the 2019-20 season and they return their top six scorers from a successful 23-8 season. The Cougars won the American Athletic title and figure to be even better with another year of experience under their belts. This looks like a team that could run away with the American next year.


19) Houston
Projected lineup : Marcus Sasser, DeJon Jarreau, Quentin Grimes, Nate Hinton, Fabian White
Kelvin Sampson has done a masterful job at Houston and ’20-21 shouldn’t be any different. The Cougars don’t have any projected draft losses and none of Houston’s top six players (based on minutes played) were seniors. Idaho sit-out transfer Cameron Tyson (31 starts, 13.5 ppg in ’18-19) is a major bucket-getter, knocking down 3.3 triples a game as a freshman while shooting 42.9 percent from deep and 87.5 percent at the line. In what expects be a down year in the American, Houston could roll through this conference.



Seth Davis always goes with name brands so I’m not surprised Texas is higher.

What if Grimes decides this is his year ( a la Rob, Corey, et. al.)

You mean his year to stay and be the guy or enter the draft?

#5 today on CBS sports


Houston. This ranking is based on the Cougars returning the top six scorers from a team that shared the American Athletic Conference title and finished 14th at KenPom. If Quentin Grimes and/or DeJon Jarreau decide to pursue a professional career, the ceiling will be lowered. But, for now, there’s no reason to have Kelvin Sampson’s team outside of the top 10 or as anything other than the clear favorite in the AAC. 23-8

We’re freaking loaded.

Especially at guard/wing. If the frontcourt is just solid should be a good team.


I like a small school being ranked so high, but I saw one of their games and the opponent looked like a high school team. I don’t think Gonzaga is number one, maybe top ten.

Gonzaga has earned it from 20 years of success. They got to the championship game a few years ago. Also they recruit at a high level so I think it’s fine.


14. Houston Cougars
Previous: 16

Although Houston’s NCAA tournament résumé might not have blown away anyone down the stretch of the season, the Cougars were still a top-15 team in adjusted efficiency margin, according to KenPom, and should be even better next season. That does come with a caveat, however, as both DeJon Jarreauand Nate Hinton are testing the NBA draft waters. If both come back, Kelvin Sampson will have one of his deepest and most versatile teams. Jarreau, Hinton, Quentin Grimes and Fabian White Jr. are back as starters, while leading scorer Caleb Mills (13.2 PPG) is one of the most talented guards in the AAC. Marcus Sasser played a key role last season, starting the final 15 games. Tramon Mark was an ESPN 100 prospect in 2020, while Cameron Tyson averaged 13.5 points and shot 42.9% from 3-point range at Idaho two seasons ago. They form one of the deepest perimeter groups in the country. Outside of White, there are questions in the frontcourt – but I trust Sampson to figure things out.

1 Like Not sure I can get onboard for a bracket that has UT coming in as a #5 seed though. I like the idea of UH as a #3 …not going to lie.



I wouldn’t think it would be completely unrealistic to take a flyer on SFA beating Baylor in the first round of that bracket.

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13. Houston
Last Season: 23-8, 13-5 in AAC
Lose (1): C Chris Harris Jr.*, (4.1 ppg, 4.9 rpg)
Declared, Expected Back (2): Nate Hinton, DeJon Jarreau
Starters Back (3): SG Quentin Grimes (Jr., 12.1 ppg), G Nate Hinton (Jr., 10.6 ppg, 8.7 rpg), F Fabian White (Sr., 9.3 ppg, 5.5 rpg)
Other Returners (7): G Caleb Mills (RS Soph., 13.2 ppg), G DeJon Jarreau (RS Sr., 9.0 ppg), G Marcus Sasser (Soph., 8.1 ppg), F Justin Gorham (RS Sr., 3.0 ppg), PF Brison Gresham (RS Sr., 2.9 ppg), F Cedrick Alley Jr. (RS Jr., 1.3 ppg), C Caleb Broodo (RS Jr., 1.0 ppg – 6 games)
Redshirted (1): F J’Wan Roberts (RS Fr.)
Eligible Transfers (1): Cameron Tyson (Idaho, RS Soph., 13.5 ppg)
Add (3): SF Tramon Mark (No. 67), C Kiyron Powell, PG Jamal Shead

We have 3 days left to hold onto Grimes.


Bold prediction: I think Caleb averages 17 ppg next year, even if he comes off the bench.

I just think we have too many weapons for him to do that. We’re not too far off, though. I see 15 PPG.

Even if he comes off the bench, he’ll be playing starter minutes.