Tim Moore also - He was a stud!
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I love the hypocrisy of pushing the NIT as a great season ⊠but when Sampson took over when we had Numeorus recent NIT⊠but Sampson âtook us from the pits" he turned over a horrible program
The blatant hyprocrisy is crazy
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Struggling in the manner that we were no longer even getting the top players in Houston.
Rob was a pivotal recruit and when Texas entered the picture it became even more critical.
We were not a national power by any stretch.
I guarantee that to keep him locally we paid dearly. After we became the place to be especially among local kids.
Rob turned our program around
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Yup.
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Of course. Thanks.
Yes, you are proving that point.
Guy V Lewis never had the program in the place where Sampson took it over
They made the tourney in
70-71
71-72
72-73
This when only 22 teams made the tourney.
They missed the tourney in
73-74 (17-9 record)
74-75 (16-10)
75-76 (17-11)
Missed it again in 76-77 but as I mentioned they went 29-8,
13-3 in the SWC, and lost to the Hogs in the SWC Final. Only 32 teams made the ncaa tournament during this time frame. Making the NIT Final wasnât what it is today because the ncaa tourney again only had 32 teams back then (not SIXTY-FOUR).
Made the tournament in 77-78
Missed the tourney in 78-79
So were they making deep runs in the ncaa tournament every season? No but making the ncaa tournament was WAY harder to do back then and to descirbe the program as âstruggling badlyâ is utter nonsense. Did they have some issues of course. Pesik also said the program was struggling for a decade before Rob got there and funny how he showed their record starting from 73-74 but leaves out 70-71, 71-72, and 72-73.
Did the program take a dip after the late 60s with Big E (of course). But again pesik always trying.to talk about context but chooses not to take his own advice when looking at the decade before Rob got to UH and how it was WAY harder to make the ncaa tourney during this time frame. And I only go back to 1970 because pesik specifically said a decade.
Half of the 70s only twenty-two teams made the tourney and UH made it three times. No way thatâs"struggling badly" and they shouldâve went to the tourney in Birdsongâs SR season instead of the NIT.
So again pesik you are WRONG but will never admit and youâll reply back to this with a bunch of BS.
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We can agree to disagree âŠ
But again why are you only reflecting on the 1979 and not the modern eraâŠ
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yes, there were fewer tourney spots but far fewer teams competing for them. Only about ~230 team vs ~380 today
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SWC was a power conference, in an era where there were only 52 teams that were considered power conference teams (conferences that dominated the atlarges) ⊠our NIT were in C-USA, a mid-major ⊠qualifying for the NIT from C-USA is debateably a bigger accomplishment that qualifying for the NIT from the SWC even with the increased invites âŠ
Iâm not debating what you consider struggling, thatâs an opinion term⊠Iâm saying have that metric be equal throughout
Again letâs agree to disagree⊠the players from their own mouth, documented in a ESPN documentary, have said my point ⊠so I donât need to defend it ⊠and you are free to disagree
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âStruggling badlyâ? That is hardly accurate.
@pesik I donât know how old you are, but Iâm guessing you werenât around for the late 70âs.
Actually, we âstruggledâ the most during Robâs freshman season, the first .500 season since the mid-60âs. Rob was actually part of a very heralded recruiting class. He, Mean and David Bunce (a very underrated and talented 6-10 big man who would soon be buried behind the rotation of Olajuwon, Mean and Bryan Williams) were actually the âbig timeâ recruiting class that opened the door for the Drexler, Young, Lynden Rose, Eric Davis, David Rose, Dan Bunce class that would become the core of the PSJ era.
Prior to Rob, the team consistently won about 20 games per season throughout the early/mid 70âs, with not one season at or below .500. When Rob arrived in '79, they had been to at least 4 NCAA tournaments in the previous 8 or 9 seasons. No Final FoursâŠtrue! But hardly âstruggling badlyâ.
I realize there is a narrative (which youâre repeating) about the state of GVLâs program prior to Robâs arrival. But itâs as misleading today as it was back then. Prior to Rob, the teams were consistently SOLID. Not great, but definitely not âstruggling badlyâ.
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âLetâs agree to disagreeâ.
This is your way of acknowledging youâre wrong (and you are wrong).
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Damn, so watching a documentary doesnât make someone an expert. Weâll agree to agree on this
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Some of us didnât have to wait for the doc. We were around and following passionately while it was happening. LOL
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you are doing the same thing they are an anchoring on the term struggling badlyâŠ
that is subjective⊠there are kansas fans stating kansas is struggling as a program right now as it the 1st time in 20 years they didnt advance in the tournament, and the 1st time they werent regular season champions in back to back years in nearly 30 years. they were still a tournament team . there is a bar that is opinion bases
my point was we averaged 20 wins a season before sampson came tooâŠ
there is a hypocrisy that before sampson we were a terrible program⊠when we regularly made NIT and also averaged 20 wins a season⊠there is blantant hyporicsy in when we want to use the term âstrugglingâ⊠ive asked this questin 6 times now, and not 1 response, did we struggle in the eras before sampson? were we a struggling program in the penders era⊠if you say we were struggling then, then id accept, thats your bar of struggling
Sorry, youâre just wrong on that point.
You can âdisagreeâ all you want. But sometimes itâs just better to take the âLâ, and move on.
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no , its a âyou wont answer my question despite repeatedly asking over and over, you wont admit you are wrongâ "phi slamma jama player have better credibility on this than you, why am i debating a stranger on the intern about it "
answer the damn question!!!
Yes, Iâm âanchoringâ on your actually words. Silly of me, I guess.
No we werenât. We probably averaged 15 wins per season in the 5 years before Kelvin arrived.
Just stop. Stop it.
did you just make up fake math?
it was 17 wins ⊠if we just do the last 5 years ⊠19 wins if we do the last 9
lying is fun
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this is the strange part about this⊠the simple answer for this is
âwe didnt struggle badly before sampson cameââŠ
me: âokay, i see where your bar is, thats not the bar i usedâ
no one is just willing to take the stance that âwe didnt struggle badly before sampsonâ⊠and wont accept the hypocrisy
Stop deflecting.
I donât give 2 damns about your question, your perspective or what youâve read or watched about UH basketball history. Youâre obviously young and have an ego problem. And youâve been wrong about almost everything youâve said so far.
The team was not âstrugglingâ before Rob came. It was, in FACT, consistently still among the best bball programs year-to-year in the South (minus Kentucky). They actually only âstruggledâ DURING Robâs freshman season, in large part because they were playing their talented freshmen (Rob, Mean and David Bunce) so much.
We also did NOT average 20 wins before Sampson arrived.