Who says they are abusing their kids? Who does? You?
Itâs not uncommon, especially when religions get involved. Iâve seen two of three major monotheistic parents react quite poorly to kids who came out as different. Physical abuse, neglect, or to bring it back to the original discussion to conversion therapy hellscapes.
Yeah Iâll never snitch on a kid on this subject.
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Thank god parents have authority over their children. Some despise it and do everything to change it.
Unless a true parents abuse occurs the state, teachers have no rights to do what they are doing to children in California. None.
Information for you yo digest:
A few houses down from us we are friend with a family with three children. One of them came back one day telling her parents that she is a boy. It turns out the public schoolâs teachers were/have been promoting her âfeelingsâ that she is indeed a boy for months. Guess how old she is?
She is eight years old.
Never in the last few months did the public school contact her parents.
Oh sure, teachers are incapable of such things like abuseâŠ
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Did someone make that claim?
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Why bring up the parents abuse then? Oh youâre ok with that right?
I donât follow. You made a sarcastic comment response as if someone said teachers are above abuse. I asked if someone made that claim because I didnât understand what you were refering to. I was trying to follow where you were in the conversation.I wasnât complaining that you brought up abuse.
As far as abuse goes, many times this so called âgender affirming counselingâ or âgay conversion therapyâ has been shown to be abusive and detrimental to the people being âcounseledâ. So it makes sense that someone would mention it.
But of course, teachers, parents, cops, medical professionals, clergy, neighbors, relatives, strangers, etc. all could be abusers. No one group is immune to that.
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So itâs bad reading comprehension/trying to pull away from the discussion could be either. Trying to say look over at this happening to while trying to discount other things. But I think itâs reference to the side argument I was having about parental notification laws.
Abuse happens everywhere like you pointed out. Which in regards to parental notification would be, âWhy would you put a teacher in the position to open that door for potential abuse?â
On the original conversion therapy, there is no evidence really anywhere that itâs anything but psychological(at best) damage. And it should be banned or at the very least be required to disclose that it is ineffective, damaging, and significantly increases the chances of a parent burying their kid.
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8-1 is umm well that looks awkward for the minority opinion
Do you understand what this means and what the consequences are?
https://edsource.org/2024/newsom-signs-bill-to-end-parental-notification-policies-at-schools-but-opponents-say-its-not-over-yet/715767
How could politicians impose their will on parents?
Now read the Federal court ruling.
It had to come this far. How someone in their right mind would try to pass such a law?
These are the same people that canât define what a woman is.
Iâm not sure what youâre trying to argue with me about. I have said nothing about parental notifications and the like. Iâve said nothing about California.
However, if you want a related argument that is more directly related to this Supreme Court caseâŠ
This ruling says the state may not be able to ban âgender affirming counselingâ due to free speech grounds. (Note, the Supreme Court ruling didnât overturn the law, as they sent the case back to the lower courts - however it is very likely to get overturned by the lower courts).
Texas, and several other states, have laws restricting gender-affirming pronounce use in schools. Texas SB 12 prohibit teachers from using a name or pronouns that differ from legal name or sex on their birth certificate. Wouldnât this line of thinking from the Supreme Court ruling then apply in the same way to SB 12 (or similar laws) and suggest laws that ban teachers from using a kids preferred pronoun or name be similarly invalid under free speech grounds? I would argue that it does.
Now of course I donât believe this ruling has any direct effect on the Texas law I mentioned, at this time. It does allow for the same argument to be made and potentially have the same result.
@uhlaw97 what would you say about that? Am I misstating the possible effect of this ruling on Texasâs law?