Wow, I never want to work for any of you.
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People just hated him. Nothing to do with any football concerns. People just hated him. At least that’s what I gathered from any number of posts here.
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Thought I’d see what WVU fans thought…
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Actually no one would care if everyone punched out at 5 if we were seeing 9+ win seasons on the regular.
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This poster nailed it:
Striper1970
"Bottom line on Holgorsen’s (possibly finished) career as a head coach is that he stepped into 2 jobs at decent programs with the tools to win and left both of them in a worse place than he inherited, while alienating just about everyone with whom he had contact."
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But it takes far more than that as I keep trying to say.
Must haves:
- Quality wins - not some stupid Hail Mary
- Legitimate rankings. See above. Defense and offense that doesn’t collapse after first possession.
- Recruiting. Need I say more?
- Community engagement. My god, we’re not Bama. Even those guys have better engagement. This includes campus
- Vision. See CKS
CDH has failed on all of those points. Sure, I’d fire him.
Everyone seems to want a winner, but it takes a lot. And “punching the clock” at 5 isn’t going to do it. You think wins alone work? Hell we would be sub 500 in the AAC so not sure where your wins are coming from.
He got too far away from what made him a star in the coaching ranks. He would always say how he was “kicked out of the Air Raid club” but the gameplans became predictable. Many of us thought we would be getting a far more exciting brand of football.
And then of course there’s all the culture stuff out there about work hours, etc. I just don’t think he had the same hunger for the job that he used to.
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The fact that CDH’s “lifestyle choices” are a common aspect of conversations about CDH irritates the He** out of me.
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We would have accepted bad defense if the offense was scoring 40ppg, but you can’t accept it when you are 100th in the nation in total offense. Your team needs to be good at something and not bad at everything.
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Get over it. There is a truth out there.
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I want militaristic Saban. Problem with that?
Some bad decision making changes your entire life.
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NOPE- but there is only ONE Saban.
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Takes a lifetime to build a reputation…one stupid act to ruin it…
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Usually, if you are really good at what you do, it takes more than one.
This seems irrelevant. He had several losing years before this last one.
Yeah sadly have to agree.
I usually give Dana the first year because he was left with Applewhite’s mess. Not sure what went wrong with D’Eriq King, but it’s clear it was never a good fit.
The COVID year was a mess. 5 games cancelled. Just a mess all around.
2021 - call the schedule a joke whatever, but we went 12-2 with a bowl win.
2022 - Big 12 leverage, a QB draft pick, and a future Hall of Fame WR… and yet we still couldn’t even make it to the championship
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There are several posts on there about his time at WVU and it sounds exactly like when he was here.
For example, the way he acted at press conferences while at WVU and breaking headsets on the field.
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he takes on the worst qualities of all those he worked for
he had no concern with defense, special teams, recruiting, clock management, or game management
he likes the “sauce”
he can manage to get teams fired up for a game and maybe win it, but he will always lose one in WTF fashion
he thinks he is better than the places that hire him and that he should be getting begged to move elsewhere for more money constantly or with a new contract he should be getting paid for being “under paid” in the old contract and he should also be getting paid for “higher expectations” in the future
he does not change anything
he needs too much control of what he actually cares about (even more to the detriment of what he cares nothing about)
he thinks there is some system to make it “easy”
he sells himself not the program
he demands loyalty, but he is not loyal to anyone, but himself and the BS he sells about himself
he expects others to try way harder than he does
he will stab you in the back
he does not like having a boss or taking any kind of direction
he won’t and really can’t do coach speak and he thinks that is something admirable or quirky or interesting or people appreciate it…even when the losses are stacking up and the answers are just saying “hey it happened we did not win” or “players need to try harder” when it was clear his in game decisions were detrimental to winning or putting away a win
he does not bond with players in a meaningful way…if the winning is there it is fun, but if the losses are there expect to get trashed
he does not feel the need to be pleasant to donors and big money fans or give them much if any time
a lot of these traits are ones that were shown heavily by one coach in particular that he worked for (in fact pretty much all of them were shown by that one coach)
but some of them (one or two each) were shown by others he worked for very consistently so he really took those to heart
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Wow Person. Just simply great analysis.
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