A New Disturbance in the Force

You addressed nothing that I said. You’re just going off on a separate tangent that I’m not chasing.

Inflation isn’t the sole measure of the economy. But even if it were, the 20-30% stat is incorrect.

First, as mentioned above, the real inflation number for Biden is 17% from 1/2021-12/2023.

Second, you also have to account for Trump’s inflation if you’re going to compare the two. That was about 7% from 1/2016-12/2020.

If inflation holds where it’s at, Biden will end up at ~20% for his term. The delta between the two would be 13%, not 20-30%. That’s not insignificant but we have to say what’s really happening.

That said, there is way more to the economy besides inflation.

You know where these tangents can go. You can’t sugar coat the worst credit card debt in our history. Adding high interest rates, high inflation this is a recipe for a disaster. Tangent? and you wrote tangent? Ask any non politically affiliated economist they will all tell you that National record high credit debts is a recipe for a disaster. That is ECON 101. Don’t bring you know who into this. He has nothing to do with this.
Tangents? and you wrote tangents…

Yes, they go nowhere.

Again, you’re not addressing anything I’m saying or supporting the numbers you provided.

I’m not defending anything or saying inflation isn’t an issue. Just pointing to an incorrect stat you used.

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They go nowhere?

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/08/economy/us-household-credit-card-debt/index.html
They go nowhere?
Did I invent these postings?

Relative to what I was talking about, yes. You’re deflecting.

I’m not chasing you down a rabbit hole.

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Some perspective on credit card debt —


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https://x.com/RyanDetrick/status/1755066036980760802?s=20

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Powell is correct about this:

It is time to have an adult conversation about this.

Also it is morally repugnant to push your debt to future generations. It is the ultimate “taxation without representation”.

Both parties are guilty. But it is time to steer the ship in a different direction.

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I agree the numbers are unsustainable. Of course part of the “adult discussion” is whom does the burden fall to, to take the hit. Which of course, is where I tend disagree as the “adults” and/or grandparents at this point tend to believe that my generation and those after should be the ones to bear the sacrifice. Typical “F u, I got mine” attitudes.

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I completed concur. The elites understand that they are 1% and we are 99% and they aren’t paying their fair share. That is why they control both parties and give us political professional wrestling matches to entertain us and distract us.

If we think everything that Washington is doing is good, we should pay for it.

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So close!

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Only question I have is how many Americans
have benefited from the S&P 500 phenomenal
growth ? I did, and suspect a few others here did as well. But how many here missed out on it all together ?

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I am trying to recall a stat that about 50% of americans do not have any money in the markets.

The share of Americans who own stocks has never been so high. About 58% of U.S. households owned stocks in 2022, according to the Federal Reserve’s survey of consumer finances released this fall. That is up from 53% in 2019 and marks the highest household stock-ownership rate recorded in the triennial survey.Dec 18, 2023

Yep, I saw a number as high as 61% of households report they own stocks in 2023.
And 18% have an IRA and 35% have a 401k as of 2022.

Who Has Retirement Accounts?(ages,benefit%20or%20cash%20balance%20plan.

That’s all good to hear , so at least 1/2 should have benefited from the fantastic year.

But the down beat is the balances folks have in the IRA/401k.

Credit cards debts is at an all time high. This is a huge problem with high interest rates.

Consumer Credit Key Points

  • Aggregate household debt balances increased by $212 billion in the fourth quarter of 2023, a 1.2% rise from 2023Q3. Balances now stand at $17.50 trillion and have increased by $3.4 trillion since the end of 2019, just before the pandemic recession.
  • Mortgage balances shown on consumer credit reports increased by $112 billion during the fourth quarter of 2023 and stood at $12.25 trillion at the end of December.
  • Balances on home equity lines of credit (HELOC) increased by $11 billion, the seventh consecutive quarterly increase after 2022Q1, and there is now $360 billion in aggregate outstanding balances.
  • Credit card balances, which are now at $1.13 trillion outstanding, increased by $50 billion (4.6%).
  • Auto loan balances increased by $12 billion, continuing the upward trajectory that has been in place since 2020Q2, and now stand at $1.61 trillion.
  • Other balances, which include retail cards and other consumer loans, grew by $25 billion. Student loan balances were effectively flat, with a $2 billion increase and stand at $1.6 trillion. In total, non-housing balances grew by $89 billion.

Record High Credit Card Debt

Credit card debt rose to a new record high of $1.13 trillion, up $50 billion in the quarter. Even more troubling is the surge in serious delinquencies, defined as 90 days or more past due.

For nearly all age groups, serious delinquencies are the highest since 2011 at best.

Auto Loan Delinquencies

Serious delinquencies on auto loans have jumped from under 3 percent in mid-2021 to to 5 percent at the end of 2023 for age group 18-29.

Age group 30-39 is also troubling. Serious delinquencies for age groups 18-29 and 30-39 are at the highest levels since 2010.

Mortgage Loans

Unlike the Great Recession, mortgages are not a serious issue.

Everyone who could refinance did refinance and often at rates near 3.0 percent. After refinancing, monthly payments dropped. Finally, rising prices put risk of foreclosure very low for all but recent buyers who stretched too far to buy a house.

Yet, here again we see a small uptick across the board but especially noticeable for age group 18-29. But this will not be a replay of the Great Recession mortgage bust.

Economists are and writers are still struggling with what seems obvious if one bothers looking beyond the headline numbers.

For example on February 7, the Wall Street Journal posted Why Americans Are So Down on a Strong Economy

What’s Going On?

  • In a single sentence, the economy is nowhere near as strong as the soft landing crowd thinks. That’s why people are down.
  • Other than mortgages, this data is very recessionary. Consumers are struggling to maintain lifestyles and using credit cards to do so.
  • The jobs picture is not rosy either, if anyone bothers to drill into the data instead of touting the headline numbers.

Jobs Soar but Full Time Employment Is Barely Changed Since May 2022

Payrolls are up by 5.77 million since May of 2022, but full time employment up only 457 thousand.

Nonfarm payrolls and employment levels from the BLS, chart by Mish.

No amount of BLS smoothing can hide this.

For discussion, please see Jobs Soar but Full Time Employment Is Barely Changed Since May 2022

Jobs increased but employment is stagnant. People are taking on multiple jobs or coming out of retirement to take part time jobs because they are struggling to make ends meet.

Sudden Stop

Writers and analysts cannot see the picture, especially left wing rags listening to Biden about how lovely this economy is. Polls show the real score. So do the above charts.

I now expect a sudden stop that is going to hit the Fed in the face like a ton of bricks. But which way?

I am open to the idea of a deflationary bust or a stagflation mess. The former will have the Fed cutting rates, the latter would be an extreme world of hurt with the Fed’s hands tied, unable to cut.

Either way it’s going to be a serious problem. It will be another economic payback for general Fed incompetence for time and time again holding rates too low, too long.

Soft landing? Forget about it.

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Did you write this?.. curious as to the source

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Anybody ignoring these facts is doing so on purpose. Thank you for posting.

Not all of that was facts. And some of it was pretty political.

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