lmao
Ask yourself this simple question.
This question is a synopsis of what has been going for decades.
It is a question that the West refuses to bring up.
Why is it that the palestinian people have not toppled hamas, the p.o.s. years ago?
Asking again.
Why?
PLEASE 
Allow people to speak for themselves!
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Creating enemies out of thin air and mind reading is overrated.
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For the record, all I “really want” is for people, that means everybody to live in peace and a two-state solution.
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Something tells me that a one state “solution” is not one sided. Am I wrong?
A 2 state solution is ideal but I don’t think it’s a possibility. There was basically a 2 state solution when Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005. That didn’t work out. The radical Islamists don’t want a 2 state solution. If they did, it would have happened by now. They want 1 state and it doesn’t include Israel or Jews.
How could an unarmed population, with a current median age of 20, not topped a well-armed terrorist group? Years ago?
Do you know why Hamas was elected? Because the previous governing authority wasn’t able to get Gaza what they wanted. Freedom.
When you’re a population who are barely getting your minimum needs met, and that’s saying a lot, because the country that controls everything that is allowed in your blockaded piece of land doesn’t want your people to thrive; you tend to make decisions out of sheer desperation
Are you seriously asking this question?
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Okay.
So then what? What should happen to them?
Why don’t you support killing all of them?
Are you getting personal? You’re a wannabe bully.
So hamas, p.o.s. is a terrorist organization? Of course they are and the population let them build bunkers under hospitals. These did not start overnight. They could have easily gone to Israeli authorities or others and spell the “beans” They let this happen at their own peril. That is on them not on Israel.
They have a choice now. Rise against hamas p,o,s. that is weakened to their core. Is an uprising coming? I sure hope so. The Israeli taking over for a short period of time, getting rid of hamas, p.o.s. once and for all, letting a “friendly” Arab country take over is the best solution.
Okay so let’s say, hypothetically, that Palestine (or any type of retaliatory force) destroys all of Hamas…
Are you okay for Palestinians to have complete economic freedom, control over their imports/exports, no restrictions to maritime access or airspace, and the ability to build a military force?
That means Israel will no longer have any say or control over Gaza.
Are you fine with this?
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Wow.
I am all for economic freedom but no on a military force. Why should they have a military force?
Why should Israel? Why should any country?
Where’s the logic, travelingcoog?
- You don’t recognize the existence of Palestinian people.
- You don’t want them to have complete maritime access, autonomy over their airspace, autonomy over their economy, the right to build a formal military force
- You don’t want to kill them all
You know what these 3 things lead to? They lead to a century long conflict.
You know who benefits from trapping a population into suffering for an entire century?
You do. Why?
- Because a genocide (which is happening as we speak by a country essentially funded by US taxpayers) would be condemned internationally, potentially implicating US international trade
- A truly liberated Palestine (not you’re 2005 version of liberation, which isn’t liberation) is a physical threat to Israel, thus potentially affecting Israel’s position as an extension of US economic interests in the Middle East
So what it’s going to be Travelingcoog?
Because it is not its own country. When should a “province” have its own military?
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Interesting question, is it that different than Taiwan?
Seems most of the differences would just be based in one’s perspective of good guy/bad guy and who they are allied with.
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You can’t compare the two.
Taiwan won its independence from communist China by military defeating them. Communist China has no rights over Taiwan. They can cry all they want.
I can compare the two. There are similarities. A military defeat isn’t necessarily the end of the line or what defines a country forming or going away.
You don’t have to discuss the issue if you don’t want. Just an interesting observation.
I think more than anything it’s a matter of perspective.
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What do Taiwan and palestine have in common?
Let’s ask ChatGPT, a 3rd party. Not opinions, but an independent source.
- Disputed Sovereignty
• Palestine: Claimed by Palestinians as an independent state, but Israel controls much of its territory and borders.
• Taiwan: Functions as an independent state, but claimed by the People’s Republic of China (PRC) as a province.
• In both cases, there is a powerful neighbor asserting sovereignty over them.
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- Partial International Recognition
• Palestine: Recognized by over 130 UN member states and is a UN observer state, but not a full member.
• Taiwan: Recognized by about a dozen UN member states, not in the UN at all, but has extensive unofficial ties.
• Both have some degree of formal recognition but fall short of full global acceptance.
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- Self-Governance
• Both have their own governments, laws, and administrations separate from the powers that claim them.
• Palestine: Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, Hamas in Gaza.
• Taiwan: Republic of China (ROC) government in Taipei.
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- Separate Economies & Institutions
• Palestine: Uses its own institutions, security forces, and currency arrangements, though heavily dependent on aid.
• Taiwan: Fully independent economy, currency, and armed forces.
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- Heavily Affected by Global Politics
• Both are caught in larger geopolitical rivalries:
• Palestine: Arab–Israeli conflict, US–Middle East policy, Arab League backing.
• Taiwan: US–China rivalry, Indo-Pacific security balance.
• Their recognition status is often decided by alliances and political blocs rather than just merit.
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- Symbolic Significance
• Palestine: Seen by many as a cause for self-determination and anti-occupation.
• Taiwan: Seen by many as a symbol of democratic governance under pressure from an authoritarian power.
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