No I’m simply debunking your logic about Israel having stolen anything.
They are simply reclaiming what others stole from their ancestors.
That’s hardly theft.
I get it. You have to ignore the flaw in your argument otherwise it falls apart. Israelis stole the land from the very beginning.
Settlers stealing land today is not justified because of that.
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The fact that they call themselves settlers in an area that has been occupied for thousands of years should be a big clue.
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No, I’m simply identifying the flaw in your argument and using it to debunk you.
You can’t steal that which was stolen from your ancestors, and as such, rightfully belongs to you, especially when the people you are reclaiming the property from are the descendants of the people that stole it from your ancestors.
That’s not theft.
That’s justice and restitution.
Moses’s people literally stole it. You’re argument depends on that not being the case. It is and your pretending it isn’t doesn’t change that.
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If I steal your house and kill you then it’s my house forever. - Law logic
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Then find the descendants of whomever the Israelites stole it from, and have them make a superior claim.
Good luck! They don’t exist in any identifiable form today.
Palestinian Arabs do NOT meet that criteria and ARE NOT those people, as such, they don’t have a superior claim.
On the contrary, the Arabs invaded and stole it from Jews and others beginning in the 600s AD.
The descendants of the people they stole it from that are most clearly identifiable today (the Jews) should now get it back, as they have the oldest superior identifiable claim.
Then document each parcel of stolen land from ancient owner to now.
Also, if a native America knocks on your door demanding the keys to your house, give it to them.
Your argument is absurd, rewards theft and is clearly Anti-Palistinic.
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And yours is anti-Jewish following the same logic, right?
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I’m simply looking at what is documented and saying that doesn’t justify literally stealing land the last 70+ years. I don’t see how standing against theft could be seen as anti-Semitism and trying to argue it is is wrong and belittling to actual anti-semitism.
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Because it isn’t theft.
Taking stuff back from the descendants of people that stole it from your ancestors isn’t theft.
It’s justice/restitution.
But when the claim of ownership is based on a theft there isn’t any valid claim of ownership. Doesn’t matter where the victims of are. The theft still happened.
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Again, that might be relevant only if the people you allege they stole it from can be identified today and present a superior claim to have it back.
Hint: they can’t.
That leaves the Jews with the most superior identifiable claim.
Again, they can’t steal what was stolen from them by Arabs.
Simply reclaim.
No. Theft is not justified because the victims are gone.
And guess what…the victims of the modern day theft are very much still here.
You trying to justify them losing homes and property based on something from thousands of years ago, that was also theft is absurd
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So how much land can Israel claim? Which Kingdom of Israel set the borders they can now claim settlers can take over?
We can keep going around and round but the same flaw in your argument is going to come out.
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Prove that there was a theft and victims then.
I’m not sure that the Old Testament is wholly reliable in that regard.
Then positively identify some descendants to make a claim.
Good luck with that!
If the Old testament isn’t reliable then your argument once again breaks down as we only have to deal with the modern day theft and your concept of ancient ownership is tossed out like old bathwater.
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Again, modern day reclamation, not Theft, from the descendants of people that stole it (that’s well documented in History; ever heard of the Arab invasions?) beginning in the 600s.
Are you using this to justify the settlers moving into land currently?