I’ve heard of something called “British Israelism.” It’s a quasi-religious doctrine best known as a tenet of famed tv/radio evangelist Herbert W. Armstrong.
It postulates that British and Anglo-American people are descended from the twelve tribes of Israel, and as such, have some special role to play in the Second Coming.
This belief has no biblical, genetic, or archaeological basis, and is considered pseudo-historical.
I have no clue what you’re referring to or who the “20 of you” are but that seems to be more appropriate for the Iran thread.
I said I had never heard of Israelism, not sure how that dismisses your pov. Just was stating that I hadn’t heard of it. If you mean because I dismissed the video because it was from Tucker, sure I did that. I don’t find him particularly credible.
Well, as I said, it sure doesn’t seem like it. If it is a critical term for a group of people believed to be unquestionably pro-Israel, I’m not sure how it necessarily ties.
Probably the genesis and inspiration for the documentary and the new verbiage, but it has evolved, quite a lot from that definition. I’m not an expert on it, it’s fairly new, but hardcore drumpf and Bibi critics sure know the term. I know the basic tenets of israelism and the differences of those who criticize israel and are not anti-semites, and actual anti-semites. That was the basis of my involvement here, I agreed with Mandell on a part of his post about those who criticize Israel.
The problem with Mandell’s post is he made claims that we in this thread have claimed that criticism of Israel is antisemetic - which I know I haven’t and don’t believe anyone else has either. Additionally, he complained that people use antisemetic incidents to justify Israel’s actions, no matter how obhorent, also was not happening in this thread.
So he came to a thread that was to bring awareness to antisemetic incidents, only to criticize Israel and accuse others of being disingenuous or of justifying Israel’s bad behavior.
I have worked to keep this thread about stuff that was strictly and obviously antisemetic incidents and avoided anything that maybe could be just criticism of Israel. I believe I was mostly successful, I think once or twice I had some where I was unsure but I stated that when posting.
So when he comes here and posts something abhorent done by the IDF and says…
it seemed to us like he was justifying the antisemtism and antisemetic violence this thread was talking about. Especially when this thread has not been a “rah rah Israel” thread.
However, it seems that he really just wanted to turn the conversation towards a criticism of Israel.
So again, I asked, what did I say that was anti-Semitic?
Because there’s nothing in that word salad you just posted that gets close.
Meanwhile, you basically admitted to exactly what I said. Criticizing Israel is seen as antisemitism in this thread. Hell, it’s even seen as antisemitism in the anti palistinian thread.
I didn’t claim you said anything, it was your framing and context that gave that impression.
The thread has been all about antisemitic incidents around the world, many of which were violent. It wasn’t about Israel. There was no attempt to justify Israel or to discuss the Palestinian issue, or Iran. So, why come here to criticize Israel?
Why when this thread has listed countless of antisemitic incidents, many of which are violent, would you jump in to say…
As there was no other context, since we weren’t talking about Israel, or trying to justify Israel, it sure sounded like you were justifying antisemitism rather than criticizing Israel. It was your framing within the context of the thread.
Now had you popped in and said, here’s an instance that you claimed is antisemitism but I think it is just legitimate criticism of Israel. Within the context of the thread, I wouldn’t think you were justifying antisemitic incidents.
Clearly, you just wanted to criticize Israel. That’s fine, but you came to a thread that isn’t about Israel and isn’t justifying anything Israel has done. There’s at least two other threads with plenty of criticism of Israel. Why did you feel it was appropriate to come here to do so?
Looks like the person issuing the threats was arrested.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/religion/article/houston-beth-israel-arrest-22221195.php
Little more detail on the kid and father’s comments. Audio in embedded link.
If the threat was toothless, that’s some relief but this was a threat that caused action, fear, harm, and expended police resources. There are consequences to that, and it might be that they plead down the case. I do hope they will identify the other people involved and they are held accountable. The fact is, this is unacceptable - even if they didn’t have the means to carry out any attack.
That they may have thought this was just a dark but fun game only underscores the need to bring awareness to antisemitism. There is no reason why anyone should think this was a fun game, no matter if the target was a synagouge, a church, a mosque, etc.
Yeah, that’s the bigger thing. Its not funny to
have real groups ( jews, blacks, indians, mexicans…) to be the targets in any of these
“fantasy games” .
What’s the answer ? More restrictions on
the games or content moderation ? Is that
too "big brother " watching type thing. Parental oversight possibly, but in reality not
practical. I don’t have an answer.
I don’t know enough about this game, if it is a video game, how it involves making threats to a real life synagogue - that seems to go beyond an actual game in the video game sense. More like a real world game, and not sure you can legislate out of that one.
Education and awareness may help but even then I don’t know what the right way to go about it is.
Need more information about the fantasy game. I’m zero into video games
so I don’t know how , or if, you can construct your “target” and gaming scenarios . Can you pick random locations from drop down menus ? Click or assign a name for the group to target ? But planning a car attack two years in the future doesn’t seem credible imho.
Not to blame law enforcement, they have lots of threat incidents to
assess daily. They are going to make mistakes, and you want them to err on the
side of safety and prevention.
From a personal point of view, this will be a topic of discussion tonight at the
supper table with my teens who spend hours per week playing games with their friends.
Well, here’s a test for the thread theme and this administration.
Why is this a test for the thread theme? You posted something disgusting and blatantly anti-Semitic. Good job.
Seems to fit the bill of racist hate speech against Jews and blacks.
Ingrassia. Last October, [Politico] in which he allegedly said the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday should be “tossed into the seventh circle of hell” and wrote, “I do have a Nazi stream in me from time to time, I will admit it.”
But as the OP has pointed out before, it’s not just the current admin. They say
they experience it from left and right groups. Granted, when it comes from
someone in government it is worse imho.
Guess let’s see how the admin follows up on this. Possible outcomes,
they just ignore ( as there are other more pressing problems that need attention),
they call it fake news and just dismiss it again, or they fire the guy. What do
think will happen ?
No idea why this is a test for the theme of this thread. It’s a governmental aide making abhorrent comments. He should be condemned and fired.
I’ve said this several times in this thread antisemitism is a societal cancer that infects both the right and the left and needs to be excised from both major political parties (and all the minor ones too).
So this one I’d categorize as someone who holds white superiority/white replacement views and some usually suppressed antisemitic views (giving benefit of doubt here, without knowing the guy). The current wars and US gov relationship with the Israeli govt seems to be the trigger point for him, that bring the underlying antisemitism to being threats.
Seems like we see this common concern about the two governments relationship popping up on both the left side and the right side these days.
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