Big 12 / Pac 12 / B10 Expansion Thread (Part 1)

Duke ends up in the Big East, with Syracuse, once the dust settles.

Those two are basketball schools. Their football programs play a distant second fiddle to the basketball programs.

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If you read Flugar or Mhver its guaranteed that you’ll know less about realignment than you knew before. They provide negative value.

If you want to know only 25% of what you know now I suggest you follow them for 15 days. If you want to go back to a blissful state of indifference follow them for a month.

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ACC GOR:
Was there ever clarification if a majority of members can disband the ACC ? (disband may not be the right word)

somebody posted that only a SUPER-MAJORITY could do away with their GOR

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There is one thing in mind people are ignoring. It’s ESPN, they own the rights to the ACC. There not going to allow media properties they own go to there rival FOX, if and when a deal is cut, it’s going to benefit ESPN. Warren has just told ESPN and any other media rights bidder don’t waste your time or money on the PAC, there dead.

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Doesn’t seem possible even with the B10 and SEC cherry picking what fits.

Cold blooded. If Warren asks the B12 for an “alliance” = run the other way.

MWC has to love Warren right now,

It’s why it was posted about the Big 12 doing tier 2 dirty work SEC and B1G pick their favs. The 12 comes in and grabs the next group everyone in these groups vote to dissolve the GOR then Wake and whoever is left is out in the cold.

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Who do you think is left after B10/SEC take their pick?

Wow.
Wake/Cuse/BC, etc could end up in the BE and a supersized MAC just for football. (add UGone, UMass, etc)
An already salty BE could get near B12 great for hoop.

It’s an interesting scenario to game out for sure.

An unequal payout plan is a recipe for disaster. Yes, B1G could probably get those teams for a 75% share. But from then on those teams would be clamoring about equal pay. What happens when the following contract comes up? New teams will complain that while they are not as valuable as Ohio St and Michigan they are more valuable than Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, Rutgers and others.

The valuable programs should know that they cannot keep unequal pay indefinitely. And if not are the additions still worth it?

The less valuable teams will worry about themselves being relegated to second tier once this can of worms is opened.

It’s a recipe for disaster if the schools getting an unequal share have options. In the case of the B1G they will be rightly able to say “Where are you going to go?”

Long term disaster for the B1G, not the additions. The candidates would probably jump at a 75% share as would we.

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Perhaps, I don’t even think long term is a huge problem for them. Because at the end of the day none of the teams would have options or cards to play. So you just let them stomp their feet and please their case then tell them to take what they will get and like it. Because unless the dollar number approaches the Big 12 they’ll fold.

I always bet against “Give up on football” and am rarely wrong, so I think what happens here is unless the top conferences formally break away, that the ACC minimally rebuilds for football with Basketball-serious schools (or or demonstrate a willingness to become basketball-serious

Post-Apocalypse ACC (or successor conference):
IN:
Wake Forest
Syracuse
Boston College
UConn
UMass
Temple
Memphis
UAB
Probably at least one more football, maybe more (South Florida, Charlotte, Delaware, SMU, Tulane, UNH, Missouri State)
Plus 2-4 non-FB teams from A-10 or CAA (or Wichita State)
 it would be necessary to keep this number low again to vote gridlock like the Big East had.

The alternative is if they could convince a bunch of northeastern and mid-Atlantic state schools to elevate to FBS/G5 then join for football. My guess is “Let’s you all create a conference we can join but only for football” is a tough sell.

The MAC has indicated it is done with football-only members. Conference USA seems similarly disinclined. So the only alternatives are to give up football, which again I always bet against, or try to create a network of eastern independents.

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Here’s the thing. It’s interesting to me that CBS is reporting this, and not ESPN.

I wonder why that is?

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Depends on who we’re talking about. Schools like Purdue maybe you actually want them to leave. But if you want them in your conference you want them happy in your conference. Long-term bitterness has a tendency to fester over, and it’s not always easy to see how until it happens. If you want them in your conference, treat them like people you want in the conference. It’s not unreasonable to cut their share short coming in, but at least by the next TV contract you want them as full partners.

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ESPN gotta be careful about how they cover someone they’re in the middle of negotiations with, perhaps.

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The TRUTH about the value of the PAC without the two pulling horses will be brutal.

Wilner is acting up today.
He will learn his lesson about rippin on Waco. They will come out of the hills to blast him on every tweet from now on.

Comments are interesting on both tweets.
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1552350338337984512

I’m loving all this
New B12 setting up as a toxic, vicious, games mean alot type of conference. Those are rare.

Smoaky, young Smoaky, and Paul Cat. on 365 Sports giving this a segment today?

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