That’s a pretty damning article.
And to think that there were people here that thought that the PAC would be a better landing spot for UH than the Big 12.
PAC competition quality AND attendance are both WAY down and well below the Big 12.
Below the ACC as well.
NO WONDER the big networks don’t want them.
Pure speculation I like to see a breakdown by demographic’s, I wonder if the attendance and viewership especially for UCLA and Cal are effected by the large Asian alumni base, who maybe are not as engaged in sports as other ethnic groups.
So part of the story is not necessarily going to be related to race as demographics haven’t shifted by 20% in the last 10 years. The question becomes why PAC attendance is down that much while the rest of college football is basically down about 2-3%. Lack of social media engagement, late windows where few in central and especially eastern even watch and the decent markets they have are largely unplugged from college sports might cost them. I see it similar to the way UH lost out on the initial Big 12 in part due to lack of fan support, PAC may lose out on legit P5 standing and $ due to the same thing. Seeing all these numbers, I think the 4 corners are who you go after. Colorado still gets solid attendence even being terrible- pretty surprising. I’d be very happy if we get Colorado and Arizona somehow. Oregon is a must if they come but I don’t see it happening. Those articles tell me the PAC in the low 20s stories are likely legitimate. They will have to sell their soul and do some crazy things to get to Big 12 $- heavy streaming, contingent contracts based on viewership, selling injury info to gambling companies or even some kind of exclusive gambling partnership type thing, etc…
LAW…maybe one day you will finally understand that UH to the PAC meant 3-5/ 8 other Big 12 Schools were ALSO coming and it would have killed the Big 12, a competing P5 and eliminated future G5 promotions ( UCF, UC, BYU).
All of which were the BETTER outcome…the money would have followed because there would have only been 4 Power Conferences on the market and the PAC would now have CTZ inventory
Your blind spots refuse to acknowledge we’d be in the same exact spot the Big 12 is trying to get to NOW with 2-4 PAC additions.
Reading the article and seeing the average attendance by conference, the B12 is 3rd to the B1G and SEC averaging about 58K. However, once UT and OU leave, that will take a hit because those two are usually full and have the largest stadiums. The average capacity when OU and UT leave will be 51385, so I would assume the overall B12 average attendance will be less than 50K, maybe about 45K.
Here are the conference rankings by average attendance from 2012 - 2022:
SEC: 77K
B1G: 66K
B12: 58K
ACC: 48K
P12: 44K
| School | Stadium Capacity |
|---|---|
| Baylor | 45140 |
| BYU | 63470 |
| Cincinnati | 40000 |
| Houston | 40000 |
| Iowa State | 61500 |
| Kansas | 50250 |
| Kansas State | 50000 |
| Oklahoma | 86112 |
| Oklahoma State | 55509 |
| TCU | 45000 |
| Texas | 100119 |
| Texas Tech | 60454 |
| UCF | 45301 |
| West Virginia | 60000 |
When USC and UCLA leave for the B1G, I wonder how that will affect both the P12 and the Big. USC draws well, but UCLA doesn’t. UCLA averaged 41,593 and USC averaged 64,488 last season. That may push the P12 down below 40K. I would imagine that USC drew the most home fans at each of their P12 road games, so the home attendance for the rest of the conference teams will take a hit.
This.
And maybe one day YOU will finally understand that that was NEVER a possibility.
If the PAC had already said no to four larger P5 brands…which it HAD…then there was NO WAY they would have ever taken a smaller brand G5 like UH.
NO WAY. NEVER a possibility. NOT plausible.
So as long as that was your theory as to why the PAC would be better, you remained messed up, because that was NEVER a conceivable possibility.
That article underlines the fact that college sports are not healthy.
Not quite.
It mentions how it’s mostly PAC attendance that has declined among P5s.
Other P5s have lost very little in attendance.
You moved the goal post Law. It having been a better option is not negated by your argument that UH may have not been included.
It still wouldn’t have been a better landing spot.
a) the PAC had been the weakest P5 in terms of competition in football and men’s basketball for some time; hadn’t qualified a playoff team in years, no natties in football in upwards of 30 years, none in basketball in 25 years, AND b) as that article points out…PAC attendance was already near the bottom and in a tumble straight to the bottom.
Given that, it’s silly that anyone would have preferred that we be there instead of in the Big 12, which was ahead in both categories.
He brings up.the Texahoma proposal from what 10+ years ago.
This is fluid!
The PAC F’d up by not killing the Big 12 when they had the golden opportunity. All of the Big 12 members were BEGGING them to take them.
As far as IF they would have selected the University of Houston…that’s beside the point that IT was a far better scenario for the University of Houston…even if we got added AFTER USC & UCLA left.
Eliminating big 12 schools and promoted G5s AS P# COMPETITION (recruiting & resources) WAS the better option.
Had PAC expanded
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State
Stanford
CAL
UCLA*
USC*
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado
Kansas
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State
TCU
Houston *
Kansas State*
Iowa State, West Virginia & Baylor would NOT have been selected over UH and they’d drop to G5
That’s a pretty HUGE “if.”
If “ifs and buts” were cherries and nuts then we’d all have a Merry Christmas.
We all know that that was NEVER a possibility.
As I said above, given that the PAC had already said no to larger P5 brands…there was NO WAY they were ever going to take a smaller G5 brand like UH instead.
NOT plausible, as I said.
No it isn’t…it was discussed by multiple sources includung one that said TCU + UH were the PACs first two options in a Big 12 raid scenario.
It was closer to becoming a reality than you can believe and given a time machine…they’d pull the trigger
Elevating 3 fellow G5s was a horrible scenario…we INCREASED our competition pool ( recruits + resources) instead of decreasing it
There were people that posted that, mostly based on an unsourced Tweet that was completely implausible, but that was NEVER a possibility.
The minute that TCU was mentioned, anyone with half a brain like uhlaw97 automatically REJECTED it, knowing full well that a) the PAC doesn’t take R2 schools, and b) the PAC doesn’t take religious schools.
I said that at the time, and I was correct.
Anyone who fell for that or even believed that that was a real possibility truly doesn’t understand the PAC or college football.
It was NEVER plausible.
How is that decision working out for them??
The PAC’s decision not to expand with four R1 Big 12 brands (Tech, Okie State, Kansas, and Kansas State) was FATAL.
It gave the Big 12 an opportunity to survive and thrive through expansion with at least one school (BYU) that the PAC would NEEEEEEVEEEEER take.
As for not taking TCU and UH, as I said, it was never a possibility.
I said that when that rumor was first posted here, and of course, I was correct.
The minute TCU was brought up…I knew it was BULLCRAP.
Totally DOESN’T fit the PAC profile.
Yeah I agree
UH and TCU don’t fit the PAC 12 for different reasons respectively
That being said, Oregon and Washington are waiting to see what Colorado and Arizona will do before making any decisions.
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