What happened to the guy today in Minneapolis was murder. It’s very clear, and there are no moving vehicles to point toward. The man was either incapacitated or at least restrained on the ground by multiple people before he was struck in the head multiple times, at which point another officer emptied his magazine into the guy. The multiple videos will prove this when it inevitably ends up in a courtroom.
People need to wake up. This show might be coming to your neighborhood next.
You have your opinion, DHS has theirs.
Based on the videos, it’s clear this was “a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement.” At least that’s what multiple DHS have said, including Kristi Noem.
It’s a sad and infuriating time in America.
Except my opinion is based on an objective viewing of multiple angles of the incident. The DHS position is not based on any measure of objectivity.
The man had a camera before he was knocked to the ground, and he was disarmed and on the ground before he was shot multiple times. Those are facts.
I am one that is not quick to jump to a conclusion without seeing or knowing more facts.
However, statements from DHS are not lining up with facts that have been coming out. They have gotten caught in lies as recently as the woman they killed a few weeks ago.
From all the video I have seen he was there to help and render aid to any protestor that might get injured as he was a nurse. Think Kyle Rittenhouse the hero of the right, but this guy was permitted to carry.
He had a permit to carry legally and he carried a gun with him. I am a supporter of the 2A and I carry and yes I also carry an extra magazine. Its. My right to be able to carry.
He went to help a woman who was on the ground by the agents.
He ended up standing in front of an agent with a camera recording their stand off.
He never had the gun in his hand or pointed at anyone.
Feds shove and then tackled him in mass. In the scuffle a fed removed the gun from his hoslter/waistband and runs off with it. The victim was not holding it or pointing his weapon at any moment.
Then they shoot him at least 8 times. He didnt move after the first shot, yet the emptied a magazine. It was what I can only describe as an execution. What was the reaction of the feds who did it when obversers began yell at them in protest, they yelled back “boo hoo”
DHS did not secure the crime scene and before there was an investigation or even facts they concluded he was carrying a gun to cause harm.
Fed agents tried to consfiscate phones. Local PD per the Chief took in witnesses to protect them and the evidence fromthe Feds.
Statements from Noem and Bovino are inconsistent with what the chief of police shared and what we can see on video and omit facts like that he had a permit to carry and it is not illegal to carry and have extra magazines.
It seems quite honestly they are lying and hoping people like you just accept their version even though it is not supported by evidence we can all see.
“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”.
The videos are not hard to find.
So now my right to simply carry legally means they can just kill me for excercising my 2A rights?
There is video I’ve seen now from several angles.
An ice officer pushed him. He did not push back. He was holding his camera not his firearm that he had a legal right to have holstered on him. The ice officer then push someone else down. The ice officer then went after him with mace to his face. Then the other ice officers all tackled him.
Ice disarmed him.
Ice then shot him, in the back, while they were holding him.
This was murder.
There are multiple reasons why this could be justified. If he gets his hand on an officer’s weapon, taser, or pushes the barrel of an officer’s gun towards someone else. There are other reasons but they aren’t as common.
The reality is that ICE has doubled in size in the last year. There has been very little vetting of candidates, ICE agents with a history of domestic violence, child abuse and other crimes have been hired. Google is your friend if you want to read who they are hiring. They are also getting little training in descalation, use of force and following the law.
I understand how presenting a defense works. I’ve done it. But none of those hypotheticals are relevant. He was not making any moves that would indicate those actions, and he was completely restrained until they stood up to shoot him.
When you have to search for possible bad things that could have happened to try to justify what was done, you’re really reaching. Those justifications could be used to shoot anyone walking down the street, because they could possibly do something. That’s not the way it works.
My wife and I see politics completely opposite. Must be why we don’t ever discuss it. I think that in Good’s case and today’s the officers were legally justified. The thing is I don’t think in either case they “had” to use deadly force. I was told, just because you can doesn’t mean you should. I went through a police academy successfully at 20 years old. I actually loved the comraderie as it reminded me of playing sports in high school.
I will also say that fighting with police or putting them in a situation where they have your life in their hands is not where I’d want to be. I was pulled over on New Year’s Eve after buying fireworks by a state trooper and no issues. When I was younger, I definitely was shown a lot less respect from cops during traffic stops.
I ultimately decided I didn’t want to be a cop after graduation. 1 decision can cost you your life or you job in a split second. To much force and you could be indicted, not enough force and you cpuld be 6 feet under. Suicide rate, alcoholism, life expectancy, divorce rate, not many friends, working holidays, nights, weekends, etc. No thank you. Half the country hates you and nobody trusts or respects you.
I always try to put myself in someone’s shoes as it’s part of being effective in my job. Empathy. I just don’t ever think I could see myself running from cops, being combative, or driving away or at them. I don’t want to out them or myself in a situation to where they could take my life.
Another thing is they know at least I think that they will have near immunity if it’s a gray area. If it’s a call stands type situation where it’s not clear and obvious the current administration will side with law enforcement.
I want to know how 5 or whatever cops weren’t able to handle 1 lanky/scrawny guy? Even if he had the gun on his person I don’t see why he needed to be shot. If he was grabbing for his gun and you’d thought he was going to shoot you… That’s up for interpretation.
They taught us you ask em, tell em, make em. They also told us if your life is in danger and you can justify that then you can use deadly force. Different people have different opinions on if they think their life is in danger. They told us to center mass until the threat is stopped. Which was explained as multiple shots minimum.
Right. This would be a reasonable defense if those were the facts. But there’s no such interpretation needed here. One of the agents had already disarmed him, and he was being pistol whipped by another one while a couple others had him immobilized. Then another agent decided to empty the clip in the guy.
He wasn’t fighting them. From what I saw, he didn’t even approach them. But there’s absolutely no indication that he was any kind of threat at the point the shooting started. None.
I don’t understand how it took that many officers subdue him and still deadly force was necessary. I also don’t understand why people fight with law enforcement. He was reisisting which from the sounds of it he may have been unlawfully detained. Resisting isn’t going to go well. Having the gun made matters worse. Not the individual’s fault as he was legally carrying. Resisting arrest alone is not cause for using deadly force though.
Police officers are taught retraint and de-escalation tactics I am not seeing that kind of behavior from ICE tactics.
For a police officer to draw a gun its a big deal and its the last thing they are trained to do. Yet over and over we see videos of ICE just pointing weapons at people. Guns being dropped on the ground. They yell contradicting commands like “dont move” and “put your hands behind your back” at the same time. Even if they try to comply with one order they are deemed resisting by the other agent.
Again seems like a lack of training and accountability.
Yes, in the heat of the moment they make snap decisions sometimes tragic. Like in this case. I am sure they will get immunity.
But could it have been handled differently. Yes and how 5-7 officers couldn’t subdue him is unbelievable.
I wonder if the NRA will make a statement or just remain silent, since he was permitted to carry and a supporter of the NRA.
They are and I really think that law enforcement is emboldened right now by the justice department. I think that the officer who shot in this case was embarrassing. Imagine you are a cop with 4 others subduing someone, why do you need to shoot him? This isn’t a one cop situation with a 6 foot 5 and over 300 pound drunk suspect.
I don’t care if you don’t like law enforcement or love them. Don’t put yourself in a situation that could have a trigger happy cop send you to eternity. I’ve seen a lot of good cops but I saw a number of bad ones in the academy and in the field. I’d say from my personal experience it was 80% good 20% jackaces overzealous types on a power trip.
And I believe the shooter in this case was actually behind the guy who was being beaten when he drew his gun. So he couldn’t have legitimately feared for his life, and it wasn’t raised as a threat; it was raised with intent.
I’m not even sure what the ICE guys were doing prior to the shooting. I’ve read that they had pushed someone down on the ground, but I don’t know why. Were they trying to arrest someone?
Alex Pretti was not fighting with ICE. He was legally filming.
Every shot comes after an ICE office had taken Alex’s gun from Alex’s holster while other agents were holding and assaulting him.
I don’t think this happens if it was an actual police officer with appropriate training and skills.
I want to believe a police officer would not have started the scuffle like the dhs agent did.
I believe a police officer and those with the officers would have secured the scene and retreived weapon for a proper investigation. DHS agents had the recovered gun on the seat of a vehichle and were putting pictures of it on social media almost immediately.
DHS is lying and blatantly so. There’s zero reason to take their statements at face value.
OMG. I have no words.
Here is Alex helping someone before being murdered
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