Carlos Beltran in HOF

No Lance Berkman :face_with_symbols_over_mouth:

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I couldn’t care less regarding Beltran….he is the one of the guys that helped bring the cheating scheme to the Astros and then went untouched.

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How is he even eligible after that? He was with the Yankees for the Apple watch stuff too.

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Actually, that could be good news for some future Astro HOF prospects like Altuve.

This shows that the voters don’t hold a sign strealing scandal against players nearly as much as they do, let’s say, steroid use.

Answered your own question.

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We shall see, I could see the same writers who voted for Beltran to use the sign stealing scandal against Altuve.

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Jones was incredible CF with 400+ dingers…his defense got him in…BUT…career .250 BA…ewwww

Jones a pretty similar profile to Biggio, both from an OPS+ perspective as well as bWAR.

Did you think Biggio was deserving? I think both are.

Biggio had 3,000 hits. Unless you’re tied to scandals, you’re getting in with that.

.250 Career BA shouldn’t be in HOF for a CF IMO…Hall of Very Good ok but not HOF

Altuve is a first ballot HOF…

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Harmon Killebrew got in at .256 (Andruw Jones finished at .254 I believe)……BUT….he had 573 home runs, over 100 more than Jones.

Exactly.
“Beltrán is likely to enter Cooperstown with a Mets cap on his plaque, though he has yet to make a formal decision.” Beltrán becomes 6th Puerto Rican elected to Hall of Fame

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Batting average isn’t a great view of value. I’d look more to OPS but it wasn’t elite for Jones either (more in very good range).

His glove was elite though. That’s why he’s in. His post 30 decline was rough though.

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I doubt it.

If they didn’t hold it against the orchestrator of the entire sign stealing scheme, then why would they hold it against a guy who even his own teammates said wasn’t in on it?

That’s why I think this is GOOD news, not bad news.

Hell, weren’t Gaylord Perry and Don Sutton notorious spit ballers/scuff ballers respectively?

They both got in.

Cheating seems to be OK to those HOF voters…EXCEPT where PEDs are involved.

OPS is a better stat, for sure.

That said, as we’ve been through before, it is possible to get into the HOF PRIMARILY based on batting average.

Just ask Tony Gwynn!

The key being…like Gwynn…these days…your batting average had better be COLOSSALLY high to overcome mediocre HR, RBI, and other offensive stats.

Pro-nyc, anti-Houston bias.

Ah, I see.

Well, there could be something there, but I doubt it.

Tony Gwynn had 3,000 hits. You’re in without scandals with 3,000 hits. You’re right in how that’s connected to BA though.