Even if Case had been drafted as high as the 5th round, I think you over-estimate the value of rookie contracts. Being drafted would just mean a team would have the rights to him for 4 years with an option for a 5th. For example Cousins’ deal was 4 years $2.5 million. Doesn’t guarantee his success or longevity either. You want to blame the media but the media wasn’t responsible for Keenum’s lack-luster combine numbers. A guy Keenum’s size needs to show some athleticism and he didn’t. If wins in college meant you were a winner in the pros, Kellen Moore would be an all pro and if yardage and touchdowns meant you were a winner in the pros, Chang and Kingsbury would have had solid pro careers.
At some point you have to realize, the University of Houston doesn’t have some kind of magic aura that finds random 2*, 3* and 4* prospects every 4 years and turns them into legitimate Heisman trophy winners and NFL All Pros. There is nothing wrong with wishing all of our guys the best of success, but please stop blaming everyone else when they don’t become all pro.
They missed though didn’t they? He should have been drafted right?
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We all know that you need a ton of luck to succeed in the N.F.L. and every other professional sport for that matter.
Keep in mind that Case was injured during the combine. I will add that the combine does not guarantee anything. Remember Tom Brady? He was considered a green been and would not even get drafted…
The direct correlation between a QB success and a QB failure is:
G.M. assembling the right team pieces…not individual “flashy” signings
Coach: using his players best qualities and not wanting to "rebuild a player"
Owner: doing everything that he/she can to build the best organisation.
I put the owner in this. He/she is in charge.
Winners:
49ers: Montana, Young…since DeBartolo is not in charge anymore where are they?
Steelers: Bradshaw, Rothsleburger
Patriots: Brady…where were they before Kraft?
Green Bay: Bart Starr, Brett Favre, Rodgers
Denver: Elway
These are the teams that dominated/te the N.F.L. and they have(had) all four ingredients. Imo if there is one piece missing the QB has no chance. Case among may other QB’s great, good, ok or bad will never win. The Texans have all of the money that they need but their organization is terrible. It is great to get first round picks but how many Super Bowls do the Texans have?
An undersized QB that played in a crappy conference and didn’t do anything to impress scouts in person. Why should he have been drafted? I’m not sure why you are so hung up on that. He has had chances to play. There have been more than a handful of other undrafted QBs that went on to play in pro bowls. It seems like you want to blame his lack of success on some conspiracy that the media told NFL teams to not give UH quarterbacks a chance.
You can’t say Case has had a lack of success. Just like there are some undrafted QBs who have made pro bowls and such, you have to admit most have not persevered the way Case has. Case is a millionaire still playing football. Seems pretty successful to me.
Case still getting chances has exceeded my expectations. From being a 2* kid that wasn’t heavily recruited to being an NFL journeyman is extremely successful. If you read back through the argument it should be obvious that we are talking about cougarrick’s version of success which seems to be having a long term starting position with one team. For some reason he thinks Keenum was owed a starting position coming out of college.
Why should have he been drafted? Because he was better than the Qbs that were drafted ahead of him. His chances to play with the Texans were diminished by his lack of practice reps and their poor line. He was playing safety on the practice squad. With the Rams he could have done so much more. I watched every play, he suffered so many drops and bad blocks. They had no running attack whatsoever with a great RB. No conspiracy, but the lack of success was due to not getting as good a chance to succeed as the Qbs that were drafted ahead of him. 20,000 yards and 155 tds and undrafted was a miss. And thanks for responding! I really enjoy discussing my favorite football player of all times!
From an objective outlook outside of this argument, your bias against Case Keemun is just as obvious as Rick’s bias for.
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The overwhelming majority of “elite” QB’s that get drafted fail miserably. How many “shoe ins” succeed and fail? We all know the answer. I pointed out that IMO a clear four points that need to happen for a QB to succeed. What is mind boggling here is how many NFL franchises actually take these four points/steps? What gets in the way? EGO and not accepting reality. The Cowboys example is a bit skewed since Johnson assembled an amazing roster. Aikman pointed it out and retired tired of having to “baby seat” his team mates. Switzer & Gailey had lost the team by then.
Why did Fisher have a terrible OC when the franchise drafted Goff? Will Boras find a job as an OC? I highly doubt it. That is why Case and Goff had a subpar and a terrible season. Look no further on why the Rams failed miserably. Kronke, the owner, G.M. and Coach are to blame. The vast majority of franchises draft a QB high but never assemble a squad around their high choice.
Kubiak never built an adequate OL for Shaub and Case. Both had a terrible or bad season. This is on McNair, G.M. and the Coach.
A QB can’t move mountains by himself. He needs tools and management on his side. Every single Super Bowl run and victories is a reflection on these four points.
Case like hundreds of other QB’s never had these four points working for him.
Ask yourself a very simple question? How would a Montana, Brady, Bradshaw, Starr, Favre or Elway do with a Texans uniform? I am not saying that Case is as good as Montana but he is surely holding his own versus so many first round and so many so called “shoe ins” IMO, he should have been a 5th to 7th round draftee. We can all argue on this but I will keep my stand that Case never had the tools to succeed…again like so many other QB’s.
I just finished watching All or Nothing from Amazon on the Rams 2016 season. Honestly, after seeing that crap, Keenum AND GOFF deserved better than what Fisher did. In the pregame at the Jets, Fisher - mic’d up - goes and tells Kronke (the owner) that he is going to start Goff at home against Miami the next week no matter what happens in the game that day. Kronke essentially responds whatever wins the games. Fisher up to that point had ignored the calls for Goff, because Case gave them the “best” chance at winning, and he was right. That stupid decision sealed his fate. Goff was not ready, that offensive line still sucked, and Goff and Keenum deserved better than that crap. The Rams beat the Jets that day - it was their last win of the season.
I am not saying that the Rams led by Keenum would have gotten into the playoffs or even would have won half of their remaining games. Their schedule was heavily back-loaded with good teams, but they could have managed a 7-9 season and set Goff up for a good 2nd year. That may have not been best for Keenum long-term. I think the Vikings deal as a backup is good for him, and maybe better than what would have happened if he finished the year as a starter, and then the Rams cut him.
Either way, many pundits of the NFL believe that the best backup QBs are guys who can go .500 as a starter and manage games. Case Keenum is 9-7 in his last 16 games (the equivalent of a full season) with a 78.5 passer rating. He has managed that with some of the worst offensive lines in the NFL over the last two years. The Vikings should feel confident in Keenum as a backup, and I would assume Keenum at 29 years old has another 4-5 years as an NFL player.
After Ware and Klingler, its great to see a Cougar sticking around in the NFL. Its great for him and its great for UH recruiting.
After viewing several Rams plays from my couch, CK needs to regain the confidence he had in college. Last year he appeared to lock onto to the first option. He made it easy for the defense by not looking them off.
The six-year veteran started the Vikings’ 17-10 win over the Bills and completed 11 of 16 passes for 121 yards and a 90.9 QBR. He also rushed for seven yards on one carry.
