I don’t think the conference would like having the possibility of two teams from the same state be able to play in the championship. And our pod would be horrible for fan travel and creating any decent rivalries in your scenario.
Not to mention BYU would never be ok with not being in the same pod as Utah. And Utah would also not accept having to separated from it’s former PAC mates that they came over with. They aren’t as tied with Colorado but they definitely want to be playing the Arizona schools consistently.
Yes but that means you only play certain teams every 4 years which would not be acceptable. And there is no point in having protected teams when you can just put them in the same pod and then have a scenario where you play ever single school every 2 years.
Exactly! We are the only ones that have the impression that no one would be ok with the Texas teams being in one pod. Even though the Texas teams were all in one division and even though many of the other schools fans have already said they don’t care about that on their boards.
It still seems needlessly complicated. Especially when the scenario I presented guarantees everyone plays each other every 2 years. Also every team will have played a home and home with each other every 4 years. And also your scenario breaks up alot of the established rivalries.
I’ll repost my scenario here:
A 9 game conference schedule where you play the 3 teams in your pod plus a 2-2-2 home, away format ensures you play every team in the conference every 2 years. This also ensures you have a home and away game with every team every 4 years. And for those looking to recruit Texas it guarantees a game in Texas every year. Also leaves room for 3 non conference games or 2 if we decide to make the 12th game a 4 team playoff.
Pods:
Pac Pod
BYU
Utah
Arizona
ASU
Texas Pod
UH
Baylor
Tech
TCU
Legacy Pod:
ISU
OSU
Kansas St.
Kansas
The other guys pod
Colorado
Cincy
UCF
WVU
You also have to maintain all the rivalries listed here which mine does.
You think Iowa State is okay playing Cincy, WVU, and UCF?
Do you not understand how well ISU fans travel? They are a legacy school and most likely will throw a massive fit if they aren’t keeping their permanent rivalries with Ok St, K State, and Kansas.
Hence why I have Iowa playing in the Kansas pod to maintain that rivalry. Colarado would be in the pod with Cincy. And my sense from Colorado, especially coach Deion, is they would be more than happy to have guaranteed one or more games in Florida, Ohio, and Texas every year.
Your reply is useless as it doesn’t provide any factual evidence to counter mine. And in fact it actually undermines your earlier argument for breaking up the Texas schools if geography is now your argument.
I just stated why it makes sense and it’s clear you have no understanding of what Colorado wants. Because I can tell you Colorado would be fine with it for recruiting reasons.
And to be fair Colorados rivals are technically Utah and Kansa St. but Colorado would be out numbered 4-1 in being with a Utah. Same in being in a pod with Kansas St. Colorado simply doesn’t have the pull to choose so this is the best option. And for Coach Sanders it’s not a bad one for his style of recruiting.
It’s all cylindrical. Eventually they will get so big that someone will propose a breakaway into a new division. Then another person will propose breaking up that division into new conferences and that idea will be hailed as genius.
This leaves out Colorado. They have about 70 games vs Kansas St, Kansas, Iowa St, and Utah. Yet none of those are in their pod. Reading some Colorado boards, and several are looking forward to getting Kansas St back. These pods will leave a very unhappy conference mate.
Like I said they don’t have the pull, the schools they would want to play would rather be in pods without them. Because your choices then are break up the Kansas schools and Iowa or break up the PAC schools.
If OSU is ok being in a pod with Cincy, Florida, and WVU, then it works. And maybe they are ok with the consolation of have home game in Ohio, Florida, and Texas every year.
Ultimately it’s not going to be perfect but the majority needs are going to outweigh the minority. And money will outweigh everything.
They don’t have the pull so piss them off? Great way to build a group of teams for a conference. Also do you know that Kansas St does not have the same interest in Colorado. They might prefer them over Ok State. Go back and read the history of the WAC. - first conference with pods.
Why is a pod better than a permanent rival? With permanent rivals each team will match up with mostly chosen teams and it would be more equal across the board as opposed to a team or two getting royally left out of compelling rivals. I asked this earlier and gave examples, but no one has given a response that I have seen.
Because permanent rivals creates situations where you don’t play certain schools for 4 years or longer and which is unacceptable. And if you have to choose between pissing off one school or 3 you pick the latter. The big 12 has too many long time rivalries for it to work without pissing off everyone.
I can see how ASU would not have a big interest in playing WVY, UCF, etc… That ties more into having divisions and not seeing someone for 8 years. I think the B1G and SEC have found that divisions are overall detrimental vs rivals which is why they are switching to rivals. Not sure the Big 12 should pick up what the other two are ditching.