Ahh okay gotcha.
Regardless, I don’t think that matters in the grand scheme. It probably holds more weight historically, but in the age of NIL, schools that have been historically dominant (Clemson, Alabama, LSU, Auburn, etc.) but don’t have the pockets of Red McCombs or Tilman Fertitta have an uncertain future of remaining dominant….
UH doesn’t have UT pockets or even SMU pockets, but we still have pockets as well as having a valuable city in our backyard that are football fans.
I don’t agree with this. It takes a long time to enter blue blood status in basketball. I’ll try to find it, but there’s a chart that tracks basketball programs historical wins etc and their place in the “blue blood” race. We were pretty far back IIRC. It’ll take multiple natties to get there. Not refuting any other points, but don’t agree here.
I agree. UH is not any where near blue blood status even with recent basketball success. We had a chance in the PSJ/SWC days, but we got shafted in the end.
That being said, Nebraska and Pitt were once blue bloods but lost that status. Alabama is damn near at risk of losing it in the NIL age unless they have some donors we don’t know about.
The NIL essentially is going to change the landscape of blue bloods unless you’re a ND, UT, Ohio State or Michigan which have the alumni base and money to keep up.
All Alabama has is football. No money or academic prestige to back it up
Guess what, Law.
I never watched a single game CJ Stroud play in, while at Ohio State.
Why would a UH fan have any interest in watching a school from Ohio?
Now…if UH was in the same conference as Ohio State suddenly the State of Texas has interest in the B1G 10 conference.
THAT’S Why they are going to end up with 24 schools in each P2.
People IN the conference will have a reason to WATCH the conference.
UH, a huge public school in a huge state/city, is more valuable than YOU think!
UH vs Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, USC, etc…would be an easy sell out…even for a 60k TDECU
@UH1927 here is the data. It’s pretty evident if you aren’t top right corner, you aren’t a blue blood. The programs that sit atop (Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky) are regarded by most as the true blue blood programs. It takes decades of history and championships to get there. I’m not counting us out, but it’s gonna be a while before we get there.
Chart of all time basketball AP leaders. We sit around 200 mark, about 100 behind the mudcats.
This.
People are misreading the chart. This chart is proof that only 18 teams really matter. That is actually even less than most pro sports.
IOW - this is proof that (i) ESPN/FOX drastically overpaid for college sports and (ii) the current system is not sustainable, no matter what happens.
Hmmm.
Not sure there.
The only B1G games that interest me are those that Illinois is involved in, and they don’t interest me as much as games UH is involved in.
Likewise, I have a much greater interest in Big 12 games that don’t involve UH than I have in any B1G game not involving Illinois.
Before 2015, when I started classes at Illinois, I had hardly any interest in the B1G.
If I weren’t a B1G alum, that’d still be the case.
I doubt that will change if the P2 ever broke away.
I’d still be mostly a UH fan.
I’m guessing that most people that aren’t either alumni of a P2 school, or a T-shirt fan of P2 schools located in states that have no NFL presence like Alabama or Mississippi are going to suddenly start supporting a P2 breakaway league in the same way that people support the NFL, which seems to be your presupposition.
I sure as Hell wouldn’t.
Had I not gotten a degree from a P2 school, then I probably wouldn’t follow the P2 at all if they broke away.
North Carolina or NC State won’t be able to leave the ACC without approval from the UNC System president and its board of governors under a proposal to be considered by the board next week.
The policy change would allow either the president or the board of governors to stop a conference change. It comes at a time when Florida State is challenging the conference in court and the biggest brands in college athletics are concentrating in two major conferences — the SEC and the Big Ten.
As usual, I think both of you always engage in arguments that are never parallel. You’re both arguing mutually exclusive arguments
He’s right that if Ohio State or Penn St or Michigan came down to TDECU, it would no question be a sellout similar to UT last year.
Whether or not Houstonians or UH alumni watch B1G games regardless if UH is involved is really irrelevant in this context. In the case that UH was in the B1G, then you would see a higher interest in Non-UH B1G matchups because it’s the conference that UH would be in.
Here’s the thing.
I’m sure that Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and possibly Nebraska would sellout TDECU.
Other B1G teams….probably not.
Certainly Illinois didn’t draw well back in the 90s. I can’t imagine several of the B1G parasites drawing well.
And NO PAC school would; I’ve seen the PAC’s biggest brands draw under 20K for UH in Houston during my own lifetime.
We’d take any B1G invite for the media money if it came down. But attendance might not be greatly affected.
The SEC?
Well, we’d surely sellout every home game against aTm, UT, LSU, or Oklahoma.
Again, not sure.
I don’t have any interest in other B1G schools or in any B1G games not involving my own B1G school.
Hardly ever watch them. Were I not an Illinois grad, I wouldn’t follow the B1G at all.
Dude…there are ZERO schools in the 2024 Big 12 that are 100% guaranteed sell outs in the 42k TDECU, let alone a 60k TDECU.
The only two schools in the current Big 12 with that much pull, UT & OU are GONE!
So,if we joined the B1G and we go from ZERO to SIX guaranteed Sell Outs…that’s a HUGE jump!
Youre using yourself as an example when you’re a unicorn in the grand scheme.
I would argue that the UI-Urbana alumni population in Houston is incredibly low. Not saying that as an insult, I’m just saying that UI-Urbana is a highly ranked academic school and most of its alumni most likely reside in the northeast if not in the Chicago area. (Funny enough one of coworkers graduated from UI Urbana oddly enough lol)
You can’t use historic examples to judge UH when UH is in a completely different era in its history in every vertical.
I agree but that’s just as a general basis.
If Houston was ranked and had momentum, then I would argue that games like TCU and Baylor could be sellouts if not very close
the general basis is vs a MEDIOCRE University of Houston squad.
Michigan fans, in Houston, would outnumber the UT fans that were here last season IF we were mediocre. A good UH squad would allow more of our fans to attend…but it will sell out regardless!
Iowa State/ Kansas State/ West Virginia/ Arizona/ Baylor/ Texas Tech/ etc. ain’t selling out TDECU vs a mediocre UH squad…not happening
That WHY you place your flag in the State of Texas…to get the B1G into the SECOND most populous state in the country!
That I agree
I don’t entirely agree.
Were UH in the B1G, we would be able to schedule, at best, one or two of the following at home per season: Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska.
Only THAT game or two would be a guaranteed sellout.
The rest of our B1G games would likely draw less than Tech, Okie State, TCU, or Baylor would, simply because those schools have far fewer alumni in the area and generate way less in the way of local fan interest.
In the end, attendance would not be greatly affected.
Only the SEC would generate a huge attendance boost.
Actually it isn’t.
Local oil companies employee a lot of Illinois Engineering grads.
But remember.
Illinois has never had the same fan following that the B1G super brands have.
That’s true even in Illinois.
Illinois’ fan base is apathetic by B1G standards.
Here’s something you may not know.
You’ll actually find more Illinois grads on the West Coast than East Coast.
Why?
Because Illinois is supposedly the school that Microsoft hires the second largest number of computer science majors from.
I would probably add Wisconsin to that list
UH isn’t a college town were the only thing to do on a Saturday is going to TDECU and party on campus all day
Houston has too many other distractions. That being said, even selling our the marquee games is good enough. I don’t think anyone would ever expect EVERY game to sellout unless we’re ranked. Also, the better the conference we are in, the better chance we can a schedule a non-conference marquee game
What hurt UH so much as a G5 is that we were to threatening for marquee schools to schedule us even as a G5.
Plans for that aspiration eventually to happen has been acknowledged by some pols in the future, if it’s lip service or something tangible, only time will tell . I’m sure UofH is going to keep the pressure to try to make it a reality.
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