C’mon 713coogs! Be realistic here!
That is simply a ridiculous statement.
He’s got to be joking
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It’s happening!
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Wow! No one saw that coming…
LET THE COMBAT BEGIN!!!
KILL THE ACC!!!
BRING SOME TEAMS TO THE BIG 12!!!
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You are aware that the media can show teams that are not P2 right?
There is no law or rule or guide that says only power conference teams can be televised. It just means they pay them a lot less. That would be considered a win for the media actually as it would be same schools for lower payout (ie. higher profits).
Like you have said before, the ACC schools will just have their contract negotiated down, not that they will not be on TV.
Sure they can. But how would their ratings/viewership be?
Probably quite a bit lower. Those Big 12 teams would provide better ratings than any G5 teams would.
Way larger.
That’s why I don’t see the Big 12 ever being out of the picture, or college football ever having just ONE “big time” division of 34-48 teams in just two conferences.
Not enough “big brand” content for the content providers.
That’s why I imagine that there will always be at least three “big time” conferences.
Reading the article, it sounds like they are basing thier argument on Florida law. I’m not a lawyer, but I know laws in each state are different, so wouldn’t this mean schools like Clemson, UNC, and Virginia may not have a way out like FSU if the Seminoles win their case?
ND has always been an outlier, they will stay independent because they make more money that way, but will always have an avenue to 12 team playoff. Will B12 be left out like FSU this year? The NIL will continue to separate the conferences, just like the conference payouts have. The FSU board has called a special session for today to address what surely will be an interesting off season. If you do not have the NIL for a Manning to make $3.2 million at UT, then you will not recruit top players.
Football is driving the bus, but if the B12 could dominate the FF tournament every year, it could make up quite a bit of the difference in payouts the SEC and B10 have. Payouts for FF have gone up, and an all B12 FF is not out of the picture. If you add NC, Duke, Virginia and Miami, you could really see a lock on FF dominace.
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Here’s a copy of the lawsuit.
Haven’t studied it yet.
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how is it that people attempt to have a conversation about the AAU yet they are so clueless about the AAU and about the universities they are discussing
if anyone from the AAU was to ever read a thread on this forum about the AAU they would know that UH will never be ready for the AAU based on the knowledge of their graduates
- Florida State is not the land grant university of The State of Florida…The University of Florida is the land grant university of Florida…and news flash for future reference Arizona State is not the land grant university of Arizona that would be The University of Arizona…and Texas State is not the land grant university of The State of Texas that would be aggy
I have no idea why you would assume that a large amount of the research at Florida State is oranges and grapefruit when hey do not even have a college of agriculture, a school of agriculture, or even a department of agriculture
and before you try and use some weak excuse I will break it to pieces as well
- the AAU does not exclude ALL agricultural research funding from their evaluations what they specifically exclude is statutorily awarded land grant funding…and the reason they exclude that funding is because it is handed off based on the population and the agricultural productivity of the individual states and only land grant schools get it and it is not competitively awarded…because again it is statutory…you show your state statistics and ag production numbers and you et funding handed to you with no competition from in or out of state
but any agricultural research funding that is competitive in nature and that all or most all universities in the country can compete for is evaluated by the AAU…the AAU does place a higher emphasis on life sciences and STEM research and research that has a national and global impact, but that still does not exclude agricultural research or competitively awarded funding that comes through the USDA or other US government or private grant funding organizations that are geared towards agriculture…because people need food the world over and there are lots of genetic innovations and other things that were first discovered based on agricultural oriented research
I mean really if people are going to talk about academic prestige and the qualifications of getting into an organization they whould at least have some clue of what they are talking about
The AAU excludes USDA funded agricultural research. As you say, it is awarded per capita on a non-competitive basis, but more importantly, it is generally NOT peer-reviewed, and as such, is considered to be less “academic.”
That’s one reason Nebraska got kicked out of the AAU (well, that, and trying to count the research dollars from Nebraska’s completely separate, stand-alone medical school over which they maintain no control).
A disproportionate share of its research dollars come from that less “academic” source.
Not sure about FSU.
That’s why I asked how much of their research was non-Ag. They do indeed get USDA research money.
See here.
Just not sure precisely how much.
Hey listen Bro.
I’m a graduate of TWO AAU member schools (Case Western Reserve - BS, and University of Illinois - MS), and the last President of my undergrad college, Barbara Snyder, is now the PRESIDENT of the AAU.
So with all due respect, I don’t need a LECTURE from the likes of you on such matters.
That said…one does have to wonder how it is that a school like Oregon is AAU…when its research budget is less than half that of UH…and how a school like Cincy that does over $600 million in annual research…much of it Biomedical or Engineering… is excluded.
Riddle me that one Batman!
Sometimes…it just seems like a bit of a “good ole boys” club.
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Just scanning the lawsuit, it appears to be a sort of breach of fiduciary duty argument.
The theory is that the ACC had a duty to its members to get the most media value, maximize revenues, etc., and that rather than doing that, they put self-preservation first, essentially costing the rest of its members the opportunity to do better.
It also alleges that, unlike the B1G and SEC, which have consistently negotiated bigger and bigger TV contracts with relatively short-term GORs, the ACC has, instead, done NOTHING in that regard, preferring a smaller media deal with an unreasonably long GOR…simply in the interest of keeping everyone together, without regard to their duty to maximize revenues.
It alleges that the ACC and B1G were closer in revenues back in 2002…but that now…a HUGE media gap has developed.
It also alleges that the conference deliberately ratcheted up the exit provisions knowing that their media rights deal was NOT competitive in order to prevent people from withdrawing…again…sort of a breach of the ACC’s constitutional mission statement and a hypothetical breach of its fiduciary duty.
It accuses the ACC of dealing in secret following Maryland’s withdrawal from the league to put a GOR in place that would effectively entrap any future members and prevent them from ever withdrawing…and then failing to negotiate a good media deal on behalf of its members.
It then alleges, in effect, that the ACC basically defrauded the FSU administration by implying that ESPN would be unwilling to negotiate a better TV deal with the conference UNLESS they agreed to that super long GOR, and that they would face a huge penalty if they did not. They allege that FSU’s administrators signed the deal assuming that that was a truthful statement. The lawsuit will likely attempt to show that that was not, in fact, true, but rather, was the ACC’s own ploy to simply lock everyone in.
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They’ll still HAVE “content” just NOT the upper tier content of the P2.
ESPN will get the non P2 schools, including the B12, at a huge discount plus still have content to fill their slots.
Its a huge win win for ESPN /FOX
They’ll pay premium payouts to 48 schools instead of close to 70.
Did you guys see the TV ratings for B12 games NOT featuring UT or OU…they were abysmal
I wonder how the ratings for ACC teams other than FSU and Clemson compared.
Thanks for the summary Law.
A question:
Can you explain breach of contract? It’s tough for me to understand how schools can fight a contract they signed (I’m an engineer). I assume they have solid legal representation to handle these issues BEFORE they come up?
Thats EXACTLY why they are weeding out the NON P2 worthy schools
Tech Troll “Person” is typing up another novel.
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This is starting to remind me of when we joined the “Big East” and the top basketball schools left.