It is always inconvenient to accept the obvious and not write about what “has made/is making” uta’s history. You can try to swipe it under the rug all you want. It always be there untile the PUF fully benefits all Texas public schools. There is not one logical explanation on why only uta-2/3 and atm=1/3 should be the only benefactors. This is about education right?
Problems? Tell us EndlessPurple what are our athletics problems are?
Go ahead, enlighten the Coogfans audience.
Be precise, everybody wants to know. That would be great.
You might not like it but I will always call a spade a spade. uta’s brass told us a few years back that they would sell the land that they bought to build a uthouston campus. Years later it still has not happened. It is not like the great satan aka uta needs money. They print money with the PUF while at the same time we have to find the most creative way to make a profit.
uta might have a ton of followers and $B’s. In reality it is the least productive football program for all of the noise that is being forced fed on us.
Did you even know that uta only has one yes just won true undefeated season.
UCF, byu, utah, tcu have the same number of undefeated seasons as uta has.
uta is the most over rated college football program. Yes with that last part you are undefeated.
OK, I’ll play since you seem to need some information provided.
Yes, about education. You are on an athletics site. Not swiping anything under the rug, but again it is not an athletic fund. But lets look at some numbers. The PUF paid out about $1.3 Billion in 2024 I believe. It all went to the UT system, Texas A&M and Prairie View in uneven allocations. Now lets say it does get better divided to public schools in the state. Yes, I agree that would be a good thing. So now you are giving the UH system about $215 million once you divide it (1.3 B) amongst the 6 public university systems in the state. I am assuming you want fair and not just add in UH while leaving out the other 3 public systems.
Now UH system gets what amount to about a 10% raise to its over $2 billion dollar annual budget. 10% is not exactly a world changing amount. Of which a very slight amount might translate to higher donations to the athletic department. So now we have, lets use a generous $20 million bump, to UH’s athletic budget. It is still no where close to the $300 million UT made last year, and somehow this will put UH on even with UT?
Explain how…
Obviously you being dense, likely as my user name has purple in it, as it is regularly mentioned on this site for all members and guest to read. But some areas that I see that need addressing:
- attendance both by alums, general fans and students needs to improve
- retention of students’ interest after graduation for both academic and athletic season tickets and donations
- Coaching retention - Hopefully WF will prove to be good and last awhile unlike the revolving door prior to Holgerson. (PS. I really had high hopes for him with a return to Texas, but no such luck)
- Improve game day experience whether food or bathrooms and entertainment to make people want to spend day around campus. I miss even the apparel store that used to be outside the stadium.
- Winning - winning helps all.
- I think the AD needs to be focusing on the community and get the team involved in the city on a more visible level. Build local t-shirt fans and business ties. This would also help with NIL potential.
- Would not mind seeing some sort of in season production by UH students on the football and other athletic programs to highlight players and things happening. Could be a youtube channel for local viewers, also provide snippets for major stations to air during games.
- Plus other areas could be added, but it is almost midnight and I have some real work to do. It would be a good discussion topic still. Yet we go on about how the PUF will magically make the football program equal to UT’s.
- edit: forgot to add Palm Trees
Apologies in advance to all readers as I expect this might turn into a “traditional” student circle post now. Also not sure that 92010 realizes that I am a UH football season ticket holder for several years now. (would have done baseball too, but the parking charge ruled it out for a casual game.)
Explain what the land has to do with athletics… NOTHING, but I await your explanation to enlighten me in detail.
PUF - already discussed. It would be a 10% raise to the academic side of the UH system. Not going to magically make the athletic department budget grow to $300 million or quadruple TV ratings.
Of course UTA is the least productive football program - UTA does not have a football team unless you count women’s flag football. It also does not have a ton of followers or $B’s.
I personally think the UTA for austin is childish like you might see on a Tech forum or Aggie forum. I always picture UH fans above that level.
You need to define “True” undefeated season.
UT
2005: 13-0
1969: 11-0
1963: 11-0
1920, 1918…
PS, TCU has more than one also. Not interested in looking up the other schools you listed.
200 more mil for UH would be a game changer.
The PUF even if not used for athletics easing others financial obligations so if a school is subsidizing athletics from a general fund it’s less painful.
More money is always better no matter how it’s sliced.
I agree with Chris that it’s extremely unfair to have only 2 state universities have PUF funds. Times have changed since this fund was first set up. I think now that the SWC no longer exists, UH , Tech etc could sue and force an issue or bring it to the public as an extreme case of bias unfairness to all other public universities in Texas. Bring it under the light and see evil
And bring up that UT hasn’t sold the land wasting 300 mil.
We never wasted 300 mil like them and they can bc of the PUF fund.
An extra 200 mil can build dorms, fix existing buildings etc. Khator had to ask the legislators for $ for maintenance of our existing buildings for ex.
The fact is the PUF absolutely helped UT and A&M rise above the rest of us.
I’d like to think you knew that Chris actually meant University of Texas at Austin when he said UTA, and you’re just pretending to be dense when you started talking about UT-Arlington.
And actually…some of us are old enough to remember when Texas-Arlington actually had a football team!
Lucky them…I just wish we had a fanbase worth mentioning. I keep hoping and have done so for over 55 years. Not saying we can’t have a strong fanbase, but time is running out for some of us lol.
Winning huge like Miami did created a fanbase. That is the only way we will too. Not only win but do it on a regular basis for many years.
We are not a go to school like Texas or agy or even Baylor or Tech. We have a lot to overcome.
Praying we do…
The size of this Fall’s entering class will be more interesting to me though.
I’ve heard that some small colleges are holding their breath because there is supposedly a “demographic cliff” expected to hit this Fall.
That cliff (not sure it truly exists, but I keep hearing about it) was allegedly caused by the great recession that caused a decline in birth rates around 2007-2008, and as such, a national decline in the number college aged kids matriculating for this fall.
Probably won’t affect elite universities or state flagships much; those schools always get a gazillion applications.
Curious to see whether it’ll affect UH at all. My guess is that the impact on UH will be minimal, but I’m still interested to see.
Interesting… let’s see.
Not pretending to be dense at all. If you read the sentence after the link to their website, you would see exactly the purpose of my link. I find it a childish take as if it is an insult like an aggie using TU might do. I think of UH fans as being more grown up. I even asked in the past if he did it as an insult or if there was some other valid reason for calling UT UTA. He did not respond.
As a college baseball fan and a fan of schools in the metroplex and being in Texas, UTA has a specific meaning in college sports.
I never disagreed with any of this. The PUF would be a big asset on the academic side. Same with the land - It has nothing to do with athletics. The discussion is good, and I might participate if it was on the Satellite forum. Can you explain the correlation on selling the land to UH football?
My contention is that constantly going on about the PUF on an Athletic site is more annoying than Cullen/1927 vs Law going in circles in almost every thread. It simply takes away from any number of actual football improvement discussions that are relevant.
With 90210 you gotta let him have UTA. It is the least annoying nickname he’s used for them. Don’t make him come up with something more clever and try to hammer it home over and over and over again. Something like cow community college or death star state school for wayward silver spoons or some crud like that… let him have UTA and consider it a victory.
The land ties in bc it shows that UT has money to waste that other schools could use from the PUF. No way UT would buy the land if they were us fighting the legislature for funds each yr. It ties into athletics bc again UH subsidizes athletics some and it hurts bc Khator wants athletics to be self sufficient. Now if we had PUF money she prob wouldn’t complain as much bc we could then easily shift general funds to athletics and know we have PUF to cover other stuff so it’s related bc money moves around. PUF can’t be used but it frees up other resources.
So you think UT wastes money by opening system campuses around the state? UTSA, UTEP, UTRGV, UT-wherever students and graduates have entered the chat.
Having interacted with Chris a lot on this site, I have observed that he has what might be considered to be an odd writing style by many. He would have to answer to be sure but based on the context, it is clear to me he is using UTA as in University of Texas at Austin - which is their legal name. The common name is UT or University of Texas. I don’t think he calls them UTA as some sort of insult or even as any allusion to UT Arlington. UTA might be the official or standard abbreviation for UT Arlington whereas UT Austin would be the official abbreviation for what we commonly call UT. No matter how much disdain Chris has for UT, I don’t think he’s calling it UTA in the same way some people call it tu, he’s just using a nonstandard abbreviation.
I have to second that. He’s saying UTA because he means “University of Texas at Austin” and is abbreviating it using those initials.
I don’t think he is trying to insult the school in an Aggie style “TU” way, much less to compare it with Texas-Arlington. I disagree with Endless Purple’s beef to that effect.
That said…every dollar helps…and $200 million more per year is A LOT of dough that would be available to use on any number of things.
Given that, while access to PUF wouldn’t solve all of our problems, it’d certainly make a lot of issues a lot easier to deal with money-wise.
With that in mind, I certainly hope that UH can get a cut of the PUF someday, though I think the odds are against us ever getting it given that a) UH wasn’t even around when the PUF was created, and wasn’t a State U until the 1960s; as such, UH would have a tough time making the same winning arguments to that effect that aTm did, AND b) the power of UT and aTm in the legislature would likely block any proposed constitutional amendments that would give UH access.
Technically this a forum about the University of Houston and its athletic programs. They do not operate independent of one another any more than any other big school involved in big time college sports. As long as UT/A&M can count on an additional 300 million in any given year from the PUF, parity in funding remains a pipe dream when UH’s annual pittance from the TUF is one tenth of UT’s PUF disbursement.
No one at UT would ever agree that the PUF does not (even if indirectly) impact its athletic department.
I can adapt and get past the baseball side.
Every one seems to think the PUF is the cure for UH athletics being on par with UT, so I will step out of any improvement discussions for UH football as I feel it is a distraction to what does need fixing and what is reasonably possible to improve upon.
No UT wasted 300 mil on the Houston land that they still haven’t sold like they were supposed to.