How to have our own children attend U of H and build a legacy?

Actually, no we don’t…traditional students mean students that embrace the college lifestyle, while they attend, and provide a high ROI back to the University after their school days.

I joined a Fraternity while at UH. It was the first integrated Fraternity in the United States. We had brothers that were white, african american, asian, hispanic, etc. They were are all "traditional students " because they wanted a college lifestyle and HELPED contribute to that culture.

It’s no coincidence they are some of the biggest UH supporters, as alums.

Meanwhile, I had commuter “white” students, in my degree program, that left the second their class ended and have never stepped back on campus since graduating. They don’t care.

UT thrives because it accepts Traditional students of all races and backgrounds…that’s what I want for the University of Houston but the key is high ROI students that WANT to add to our culture.

We NEED to become the Houston version of that large public school in Austin.

So, take your RACISM somewhere else.

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My racism? Calling someone out for racism makes them racist? You’re trying hard to sound not racist. Hmmm.

I’m not stupid…I’ve seen your race baiting posts on other threads.

Calling some out for being racist is race baiting? Hmmmm.

No…THIS is race baiting.

Tell me, what is it that “we all know”

I’ll let you explain it.

Y’all take this one to PM.

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Ha ha, it’s funny that you mentioned the international enrollment issue. When I mentioned this three years ago as a reason why many schools, especially in the West Coast and in the northeast, are seeing declining interest in sports, I was called a bigot.

We are the second most ethnically diverse research university in the United States. Our student body is 33.1 percent white, 19.6 percent Asian/Pacific Islander, 23.5 percent Hispanic, 12.1 percent African American, 8.5 percent International, 0.3 percent Native American, and 2.9 percent unspecified. UH students represent more than 137 nations. We have a 21:1 student-faculty ratio.

UH has 8.5% international students and UCLA lists 9%. I don’t think these students
become big football fans or if they return home after graduation. But I don’t know if they
do or not. My point here is, we probably have the right overall total, but if these students become
100% football fans, 50% fans , or less , the numbers probably don’t move the needle much.

I do think West coast football is declining due to concerns of repeated brain injuries. Here is an
article from 2 years ago about the decline at the HS level in the PAC-12 footprint.

And I really don’t recall the discussion from 3 years ago; hope I wasn’t the one that called you
a bigot over that.

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UCLA has the same Cultural issues we have.

They are a big public city school

I think you’re on to something.

They are, but 98% of their first year students live on campus, even without a mandate. That’s very different from UH.

UCLA is much more of a “destination” school than UH.

On-campus vs. off-campus living: Which living location matches your preferences? | The Stack.

They are also located in a VERY POSH section of LA, as opposed to UH, which is located adjacent to a dilapidated inner city area.

Are they a flagship school?

For all intents and purposes, they are a co-flagship with Cal.

See here.

Quote: functionally UCB and UCLA are co-flagships. They are very similar in terms of size, selectivity, and stats of their incoming students. Plus UCLA can claim some advantages in that they have a medical and dental schools, which Berkeley does not.

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So, do UCLA students represent well at home football games ?
My take, is no, but their home stadium is the Rose Bowl and 27 miles from campus.

To be honest, I think many of us thought, having TDECU on campus would automatically mean
we would have the 8,000 students in the stands from beginning to the end of a game. My take is
that doesn’t happen. Students represent well, but not 100%, and often are greatly diminished by
4th quarter. Just my take.

On UCLA being more a destination school than UH, yeah, that’s pretty much how I see that as well.
AAU, higher rankings, etc…

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So do we blame the UH graduates in the 70s, 80, and 90s for not establishing the generational legacy pipeline?

Never look at it this way. Today tomorrow is what matters. Status quo is not good enough.

This is not an easy yes no question. I think some of us here have had kids go to UH. Others
plan to encourage their kids to go (me), but recognize it’s the kids choice to great degree. But I think it’s fair to say many many UH grads from those years have no real connection or feelings towards UH. So yes, those people probably don’t donate, attend events, or have any love for the institution to pass along to their kids.

Today the UHAA thru the UHAAF is only using a small portion of donations to fund legacy students
from what I can see.

To me, we already have the infrastructure in place for Legacy Scholarships thru UHAA,
but we underfund it and don’t get much press about. Look what UCLA is doing :

As rising college costs impede access to higher education, UCLA announced Wednesday a $15-million gift to seed a new scholarship initiative to help students afford a Bruin education without loans.

The gift by California real-estate investor Peter Merlone will enable UCLA to grant individual scholarships totaling about $20,000 over four years to some 700 students beginning in 2024. It is part of a new UCLA Affordability Initiative designed to eliminate the burden of student loans.

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Yes and no

Some of the folks from that era “settled” on UH and never cared to be there - they got their degree and that’s it - when it came to their kids they had no incentive to push them to their alma mater cause they never developed a love for it so they let them wail in the wind or live their college dreams through their kids and will push elsewhere

Like i said earlier - HISD is in shambles - UH honestly can’t establish a real footprint due to test scores cause they don’t want that type of student anymore - that’s 200k students plus these fly by night charters also your not touching nearby

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Let me ask you and please don’t answer for a while.
How much is U of H really going after alums to get them engaged?
Fair enough you could write that a bunch did not give two cents about it. But and this is where we should start.
Start with the dye hard Alums then make your way to the 50/50 as I call it. After all we have nothing to lose to get them engaged.
IF YOU DO NOT ASK YOU DO NOT GET
Don’t assume the book by its cover.
It is never too late. We just have to try and try again.

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Long post, sorry:

The formula to making the University of Houston an attractive destination campus is to make it more exclusive. It’s that simple.

There are plenty of examples to follow, but one such case is very interesting.

Northeastern University in Boston, Massachusetts was once a commuter school with extremely lax admission standards. NU’s admission rate 20-25 years ago was around 80%. That’s right around the Art Briles era of UH football. And get this, just a few years earlier than that, about 30 years ago, NU’s admission rate was just above 90%.

Now? Northeastern University has a 7% admission rate and is ranked 53 nationally on US News.

There are plenty of stories on social media and reddit about kids celebrating getting into Northeastern and their parents confused because they thought it was crap school. For the older generation in and around the Boston area, Northeastern was where you went if you couldn’t get into a more prestigious school, but still wanted a college education. Sound familiar?

So what changed? Aside from some investments in college infrastructure and upgrading of campus buildings (things most universities naturally do anyway), nothing really. Nothing changed except for one big thing… admission standards. Northeastern University’s leadership found that no amount of marketing or advertising would shed NU’s last resort safety school/ commuter college image. They tried that. Their leadership realized that people needed to FEEL the change, and decided to gradually, but intentionally make Northeastern more selective so that kids (and their parents) FELT that they were getting an exclusive education.

It’s all human nature, really. People want to feel like they’re getting something that only a few others can get. It’s why people spend big on luxury brands for clothes, cars and even food, and college is no different.

For Northeastern, they always felt they were a top notch institution with great programs and fantastic professors, but they felt parents and their kids weren’t giving them a chance and that they were being taken for granted. So, they made themselves more exclusive.

Having said all that, I’m a realist. The University of Houston’s mission is to educate the children of the working class and it will always be that way. I’m actually proud of that mission because it makes us unique compared to UT and A&M and the slew of popular private universities in Texas. UH shouldn’t try to make itself ridiculously exclusive like having a 7% admit rate.

However, I feel UH has been taken for granted and needs high school students and their parents to FEEL the true value of our school. I believe UH Main Campus should lower general admission standards for incoming freshmen to the 30’s or high 20’s, with even lower admit rates for the college of engineering and business.

There should be initiatives that help students who couldn’t get into UH Main Campus to instead attend any branch campus like UH- Downtown, UH-Victoria, UH-Clear Lake, UH-Pearland, or local community colleges to showcase college readiness before getting automatic acceptance into UH Main. UT and UCLA do this on a bigger scale, but I imagine UH can do something similar on a smaller scale. UT requires a minimum transfer 3.0 GPA with the typical transfer admit having a 3.5. I believe UH can do something like a minimum 2.75 with a typical admit at 3.2.

The UH mission remains as our branch campuses can serve those who didn’t have college options out of high school but still want a college education. Meanwhile, UH Main Campus should have a top 50 competitive admission standard and a robust academic culture, but it should always be within reach for transfer students from UH branch schools or community colleges. The difference now is getting people to FEEL our excellence, rather than convince them through expensive marketing and ads that no one takes seriously because we’re still seen as “Coog High”.

A little moment of honesty. I wouldn’t want my son to attend UH right now (other alums on this board have said the same). I typed that wearing my favorite UH hoodie and drinking from a UH cup. I also cut a monthly check to UH in support of both academics and athletics so spare me your groans.

I don’t want my son to attend UH right now because there are other great schools whose leadership has made the bold decision to set themselves apart from their peers in the areas that matter most to kids and their families. Those schools have raised their admission standards while providing manageable pathways into their schools. They’ve invested in campus cultures that fosters community. And they’ve prioritized student life. I’m sorry, but UH hasn’t done this to the standard that I would want for my son.

While UH has made tremendous strides since Dr. Khator stepped in, we are still trying to shed our Coog High label despite millions poured into marketing and branding. The solution is simple. Raise the admission standards and don’t let the emerging high school talent and their families take UH for granted.

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