Having the right coach, can help.
Not gonna disagree with you on that either. WVU fans werent fans of Dana’s recruiting either.
Oh I did not feel depressed, just making an observation. As my mother says, it is what it is.
Houston can only be what it is: we will never be Dallas, LA, or Atlanta. We don’t have that vibe. But we can be the best Houston we can be.
Same for UH: we don’t need to be Okie State, Rice, or UT or any of those places. We just need to be the best version of UH.
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Now this is interesting.
I have seen the same thing happen in Atlanta; most of the top football talent is not from City of Atlanta schools, but from the surrounding counties, and even some exurban areas.
I cannot speak for Houston, but for Atlanta, this is caused by (i) increasing gentrification of Atlanta proper, resulting in increasing housing costs, (ii) AA families moving to the suburbs for better schools and housing, and (iii) underinvestment in athletics by the few remaining schools in the City of Atlanta (I will include Decatur in this too).
Basically, Atlanta’s increase in population was due entirely to childless couples and singles. They don’t have kids and thus don’t care about the schools. The few that do have kids send them to private schools or magnet programs, or eventually they move.
But what he is saying is that you drove through one part of town that looks that way. The entire city doesn’t look like that.
We beat out Okie State for four star Houston area running back Parker Jenkins in this current class. Being in the Big 12 and him wanting to stay home had a huge part in that.
Having a legit HISD helps as those kids are familiar with the operations of the city and won’t spend alot of time on basic questions such as safety, etc.
A legit HISD gives you 20-plus schools to recruit from again
A legit Aldine and alief isd adds 7 more schools and a legit fort bend adds 10 more schools - all those schools are 20 minutes from campus core
Out of those districts maybe there are 2-5 schools total that produce fbs talent consistently
In their hey day just one school would produce 10 d-1 kids before you went anywhere
Even the traditionally average schools like Clements the houston oiler coaches kids or their siblings would go there and they had 2-3 guys yearly also
Now look at DFW - they got south oak cliff - Duncanville, desoto, southlake Carroll, aledo, Grand Prairie cedar hill, etc plus proximity to east Texas and west Texas gems within an hour drive plus the Texas jucos are all north
Much easier recruiting base
Do you live in Dallas?
Houston Oiler coaches? lol Recruiting back in the day doesn’t have to apply exactly to today. Also, How Dallas does things doesn’t have to be the exact blueprint for how things are done in Houston.
Dallas has a vibe?
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Yes… Want to be with a bunch of $50,000 millionaires? Live in Dallas.
ballers on a budget…
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It is not TCU has been doing this often. Magic like this happens rarely. Even for TCU, they better cherish this. These are not planned but they just happen. Every team is trying to win every game but that does not happen, not because of lack of trying.
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Dallas is more aggressive as an area - bottom line
Compare frisco - Plano - Allen - etc. their suburbs do more to attract commerce and attention - school districts build aggressively - etc even the pro teams do more
Surprisingly they never had a big public university to reflect the area so tcu and SMU has to do more to shed their religious image to stand out and seem they’re a traditional university
Houston has always been more laid back as a city - when uh gets aggressive it seems someone on the outside is there to get in the way to
I completely disagree. I think you have some preconceived notion of Houston. I take it you live in Dallas and love it up there? UH hasn’t been in a P5 conference. They are now. A good coach who is a good recruiter can do wonders in Houston. It’s not that complicated. Teams will always recruit players in Houston. Players will go elsewhere. Just like players from Dallas and FW will go elsewhere. There a lot of kids. The best of the best will probably go to the blue bloods. Some of them may say, I want to stay home and be close to family. Then the four stars can make the same decisions. There are plenty of good players in this town. The right coach with the right strategy and charisma is what we need.
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Born and raised in Houston - lived in burbs and city - seen the best of inner city football and the worst which is now - neighbor across the street played at UH in the 70s and nfl so I’m pretty familiar with uh
You keep saying we need a coach - yes and no - well-rounded programs attract folks consistently without coaches as the face all the time - the run from pardee to jenkins was good cause the system was attractive also
But at the end of the day a program will have ups and downs but uh has to stay more aggressive than others cause there are no built in advantages for schools around the corner
You do know SMU changed its admission standards for athletes because the difference maker Dallas ISD athletes had problems getting in and SMU stopped recruiting the district as a whole? The heads got together and changed it
Uh doesn’t have houston isd producing that level of talent so you got to do more than a tcu, etc to stay on the minds locally
I feel like I have explained all that I can over and over to you.
But that hasn’t been UH. We haven’t had the benefit of being that since we have not been in a P5 conference. I feel like we’re going around in circles with this.
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So what? Good for them. What does this have to do with anything related to UH??
The success of UH football does not depend solely on HISD’s talent pool.
You seem to think that because Dallas has nicer suburbs due to their stricter zoning laws that it somehow has a bearing on recruiting for UH football. It makes no difference. Players want to go to TCU because Sonny Dykes is doing a good job of selling what he wants to do over there. Not because Fort Worth has beautiful scenery. The exact same thing can be done here with the right coach.
This is tiring.
Dykes just got there and has caught lightning in a bottle for now - Patterson was there for 20 years - he built his program on 3 star small town kids and houston kids who didn’t want to stay home pre big 12
To make it an easier story - i knew 3 kids from the first Hightower team that went to the regional finals who went to tcu as a mountain west team - they said they just wanted to get away from Houston and uh didn’t interest them - no other rhyme or reason - tcu was their best Texas offer to them
It helped tcu got hot and went to the rose bowl pre big 12 but it was just another place close to home some guys wanted to play at
Again - having the local isd producing talent helps tremendously- you can have those kids on campus unofficially more amongst other things - easy head start - so imagine that as a big 12 team
Uh is basically at the starting line with every other team in the big 12 in the suburbs - that’s a good thing but now what is going to take you over the hump consistently to be a destination school?
Just as I’m sure plenty of kids in Dallas FW want to get away from home and go elsewhere.
Sure it does. But driving down 59 or I-10 isn’t that difficult to have players on campus or make in home visits. Herman and Orlando were on the local news every Friday night during the season at games recruiting.
We won’t agree on this. So, moving on.
Just West of Houston, the nine Katy High schools that make up district 19-6A are loaded with “local” talent.
Truly the SEC of TX HS football.
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