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Nobody thinks its worthwhile, especially not when compared to OPS+ or wRC+ which are both better representations of a players total offensive value.
Its a basic antiquated stat that really doesnt tell you a whole lot about how good a hitter is.
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So says every league batting champion!
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Baseball doesnāt let go of traditions easily. Front offices arenāt really using batting averages to evaluate players anymore though.
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I got it.
Still though.
Among MLB rookies, who out there has been significantly more productive this season?
I mean, I donāt follow baseball as closely as, letās say, @Pollardsvision; but I would guess that Julks has been among the leagueās more productive rookies this season.
Heās been productive but hereās a few thatās probably been better.
Not trying hate on Julks. Love the dude and proud of the season heās having!
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OK.
I may need to start following MLB more closely.
For me, MLB is really just a āfillerā for that summer period when there is nothing in the way of college sports going on, and the only real pro sports competition consists of MLS soccer, Major League Rugby, and XFL/USFL football, all of which, of course, are far lower profile than MLB.
The minute college football starts, that, and the NFL a distant second, become my obsession, then college basketball, then college baseball. Then comes that summer period where MLB is the āfillerā again.
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Corbin Carroll is a major NL MVP candidate as a rookie.
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Jung in the AL.
Be interesting to see if Elly can catch Carroll.
So maybe donāt act like you know every damn thing.
You donāt.
I would say every regular on this board knows way more than you ever thought aboutā¦.so why come in making comments that are just plain dumbā¦.then when people explain to you that youāre wrong, you double down and look like a fool.
And this is being nice to youā¦.if you said the same things on mlb boards you would get ripped to shreads.
Nobody cares that the Astros or MLB are ā fillerā for youā¦.itās not for most of us.
At ease there Bro.
Especially when it comes to baseball, I NEVER acted like I know everything.
I was simply pointing out that by rookie standards, Julks is doing pretty well, which we should all be proud of. Batting averages are still tracked in baseball stats and batting titles still awarded on that basis, after all. So yeah, while I agree that OPS probably is a better metric for hitting prowess, we cannot totally dismiss batting average.
I donāt think that I ever disputed that OPS is a better metric. That saidā¦
I wonder how Tony Gwynn would fair in OPS vs. batting average, given that he wasnāt a big HR and RBI guy, and slugging is a part of that. Heās still considered to be a top āscientificā hitter, according to many, right? Or has that changed?
Just asking.
Now when it comes to Politics, by contrast, I remain a positronically brained correct thinker.
OK, I looked it up. Tony Gwynnās career OPS was .847.
He would not be considered too great by that stat.
Here are the top ten all-time by OPS as of 2020:
- Babe Ruth, 1.1636
- Ted Williams, 1.1155
- Lou Gehrig, 1.0798
- Barry Bonds, 1.0512
- Jimmie Foxx, 1.0376
- Hank Greenberg, 1.0169
- Rogers Hornsby, 1.0103
- Mike Trout, 1.0009
- Manny Ramirez, 0.9960
- Mark McGwire, 0.9823
So yeah, while Tony Gwynnās batting average caused him to be considered one of the top hitters of his time, and arguably even all-time,ā¦under the new OPS standardā¦heād barely register.
Not to go too far off tangent, given that Julks is the topic here, but if we are going to downplay Julks based on OPSā¦consider how many Hall of Famers out there might also be notched down on that same basis.
This has been studied to death by analytics guys. OPS is better.
Itās hard to compare eras. My guess is Gwynn would have worked to be a slightly different player in this one.
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Fair enough.
What about Craig Biggio, considered by most people to be the greatest Astro of all-time?
Career OPS: .796
Biggio is NOT considered the greatest Astro by āmostā.
Then is he considered in the Top Two?
Last I checked, only two HOF players are in there depicted with Astros caps.
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As of right now (looking at career stats) heās behind Baggy. However I think another 1-2 yrs from Altuve heād pass Baggy given what heās done in the playoffs (and thereās some who think even at this point in his career Altuve has already passed Baggy).
Yordan has a ways to go but heās certainly off to a unbelievable start!!
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See thatās the thing.
Heās considered the #2 or perhaps #3 Astro of all time by you (Bagwell and Altuve are the only other names you mentioned), and possibly the greatest Astro of all time by at least some, if not many/mostā¦and his OPS was only .796.
Which is why I sayā¦we canāt simply hang our hat on OPS when deciding any playerās value or contributionā¦much less Julksā value or contribution.
Other stats, including batting average, remain valuable metrics.
You also have to consider the playerā¦.the position.
Biggio played premium positionsā¦.Catcher, 2B and CF.
Itās not all Apples to Oranges.
Not sure why you are not considering defense at all.
You also have to take into consideration the general the players played inā¦.
Iām doneā¦.you are wrong on just about everything but I have no desire to teach you baseball 101.
And earlier you did make a big case about his BAā¦.almost like you didnāt really know what OPS was let alone some of the more advanced metrics.
Then after you looked up OPS you came back with a slightly different point of view.
Itās okayā¦.you donāt have to be the best at everything Law.
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Who says Iām not?
I just donāt like OPS being the be all/end all, or using that ONE stat and then hanging oneās hat on that to determine that theyāre not doing so well compared to the rest of the league.
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