It holds water if they aren’t vaccinated. You don’t want them counted or accountable, so you target the anti-vaxxers because they are vocal, and the undocumented and unvaccinated are quiet and hidden.
So there were 2 deaths in at least 1 of those years; are the anti-vaxxers responsible for those deaths also from 2003-2014? There were 3 deaths reportedly from measles in 2025; are you claiming the anti-vaxxers are responsible for the 2000 measles cases and the 3 deaths also from 2025? I’d like to consult a statistician; do you know one by chance?
Those might be due to anti-vaxxers on the left. That was in vogue at the time.
The extremes of each party, which anti-vaxxers tend to gravitate towards, usually meet in a horseshoe fashion.
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Yeah, it was mostly a left wing thing until the last decade or so, covid really shifted it.
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Let’s take this step by step.
It holds water if they aren’t vaccinated.
No it doesn’t.
For sake of arguement let’s assume all immigrants are unvaccinated in 2021-2024.
Measles, being highly contagious , would have resulted in high numbers of cases
in those years . That did not happen. Therefore an assumption is wrong.
it doesn’t hold water.
You don’t want them counted or accountable, so you target the anti-vaxxers because they are vocal, and the undocumented and unvaccinated are quiet and hidden.
I want all measles cases counted. I’ve targeted no one. I’m asking why the spike in 2025 and even higher in 2026 (at the midway point no less)
All measles cases are reported , whether the patient is black, white, visitor, immigrant, or whatever.
And to be clear, even if death does not occur, measles has some severe long term
consequences. Not something you play around with.
AI Summary -
Immune System and Brain Complications
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Immune amnesia: The virus destroys immune memory cells, wiping out 20% to 50% of the body’s pre-existing antibodies. This leaves the body “forgetting” how to fight off everyday infections for months or years, raising the risk of dying from other diseases. [1, 2, 3]
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Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE): A rare, progressive, and fatal disease of the central nervous system that develops 7 to 10 years after an initial measles recovery, most commonly in children infected at a very young age. [1, 2]
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Permanent brain damage: Acute encephalitis (swelling of the brain) during the infection can lead to lasting intellectual disabilities, deafness, or chronic seizure disorders. [1, 2]
Physical and Organ Damage
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Lung damage: Severe viral or secondary bacterial pneumonia can lead to permanent respiratory complications like bronchiectasis or chronic lung tissue scarring.
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Vision loss: Severe cases combined with vitamin A deficiency can result in corneal scarring and permanent blindness.
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Hearing loss: Damage from severe middle ear infections or neurological impacts can cause long-term or permanent hearing impairment. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
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this is nice but in no way says that illegals aren’t the reason for the increase only that vaccininations for white and Asians have declined.
the illegals coming in are the ones without vaccinations, they are the reason for the increase.
from the CDC’s website:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7319a1.htm
" Measles Outbreak Associated with a Migrant Shelter — Chicago, Illinois, February–May 2024"
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It has quite clearly been shown in this thread that vaccinations are the main driver of measles spreading and not immigration. An article from 2 years ago doesn’t say much about what’s happening today outside of immigrant circles.
This has been studied and I’ve shared one in this this thread with clear results. Immigrants can bring measles as can travelers coming from another country. But it’s currently spreading because of reduced vaccinations here.
As discussed above, it would make zero sense for immigration to be spiking measles now when millions are leaving. It would have far more sense for that to be true a few years ago, not now.
Again, that doesn’t mean immigration has no impact. It’s not the main driver though.
You’ve been given evidence. You’re just choosing not to look at it.
“The United States reported 9,633 cases of TB in 2023, which was 16 percent higher than 2022, and the CDC traced 76 percent of these cases to people who were not born here”
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/5020252-immigration-medical-screening/
to think that measles is not the same is folly.
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That doesn’t prove much at all. First, TB and the measles are hardly the same. They are very different actually. But also, the fact that something got here from immigrants doesn’t have anything to do with it spreading in non-immigrant populations once it gets here. If measles were only spreading in migrant camps, you’d have a point. That’s not what’s happening.
Anyway, I’ve given you the study that shows you’re wrong. Millions less immigrants in the US and the last two years are when we have biggest spikes of measles cases. But sure, this is all about immigrants.
Turns out this has been studied.
A few notable studies:
- Journal of Travel Medicine (2016): “Assessment of the role of international travel and unauthorized immigration on measles importation to the United States.”
- This study was prompted by claims that unauthorized immigration was driving measles.
- It compared:
- U.S. residents traveling abroad,
- International visitors,
- Unauthorized immigrants.
- It concluded:
- There were about 10 times more annual U.S. visitors to high-measles-incidence countries than there were unauthorized immigrants from those same countries.
- The authors concluded prevention efforts should focus primarily on vaccination of U.S. international travelers rather than unauthorized immigration.
- CDC study of all imported measles cases (2001–2016)
- 553 imported measles cases were analyzed.
- 62% of imported cases were U.S. residents returning from travel abroad.
- Only 38% were foreign visitors.
- The study found importation risk was driven by:
- travel volume, and
- measles incidence in the country visited.
- CDC 2019 outbreak report
- Of the 44 directly imported cases during the first part of the 2019 outbreaks:
** * 34 were U.S. residents who had traveled internationally.** - The largest outbreaks occurred after those imported infections spread within under-vaccinated communities in the U.S.
- Of the 44 directly imported cases during the first part of the 2019 outbreaks:
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Yes it does
Yet you claim you can’t find the information from the undocumented. Expand your search. This is a new Internet age.
That sounds dumb af. Inconvenient truth
I really don’t see how you keep arguing your point at this point.
Your original post was about the outbreak occurring currently.
What you found and then posted here, I am quoting from your post; is from 2001-2016 and 2019; which is not current and would be before the outrageous immigrant increase under the previous adminisstration that would be showing up now as it makes it way thru america and into the public.
Further, you had originally framed this post as the issue being some sort of anti-vax nuts; which thiere is no proof.
Clearly measles, TB and most other diseases that the usa wiped out of the country, remained wiped out until immigration, legal and especially illegal; started increasing in numbers since the 1965 keenedy immgration act, reagans immigration actions and opened the firehouse under b iden, which is showing now as I quoted.
That’s it, we’re done.
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Me either. You’re wrong and won’t accept it despite being given hoards of evidence.
Ok.
You literally just posted something that wasn’t current.
Studies take time. You aren’t going to find something about current stuff for a while.
And again, millions less immigrants now vs. the peak. Why are measles outbreaks happening now? Makes no sense if immigration is the main driver.
You’re confusing me with someone else. I didn’t say anything like that.
That’s actually not clear. In fact, it’s 100% wrong. Measles was eradicated in the year 2000.
I’m not sure you’ve looked into this at all.
I don’t blame you for giving up.
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Ok.
I disagree. If you think more people should be vaccinated and want to encourage vaccination, then the why others aren’t is very important.
Plus at least one of the reasons I mentioned in regards to African American vaccination rates was not something based in choice. Not having access to or being able to afford quality healthcare isn’t a matter of people freely making choices.
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TB can actually lay dormant in your body for years before it ever becomes contagious or makes you sick.
I do know someone who got TB in 2020 which was a wild time to get it considering COVID was the rapid spreading disease at the time.
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That is wild. Most contagious diseases grinded to a halt at that point.
TB is a different animal than most contagious diseases though.
Then that is where the differences of opinion lie, I suppose. I didn’t care, or think, anything about the anti-vaxxer movement when they leaned left 20-30 years ago, or when people first discussed the vaccine-to-autism relationship. I don’t care, or think, what the anti-vaxxers who lean more right today do about recommended vaccines. Just like I don’t pull up alongside a vehicle at a red light and tell the driver that their kids should be buckled up in that car. I don’t tell the man I see at the corner store, hacking, coughing while smoking a cigarette, that he maybe should quit smoking. It’s their kids, it’s their bodies, and their families that they are potentially putting in jeopardy by not being immunized.
I’m not trying to “encourage vaccination”. If that is your calling, then carry on, go for it. I would say you should engage the carrot and not the stick as a strategy. The OP wants to employ the stick strategy; we’ll see how that works out.
The discussion has hit a dead end (with me) until those three 2025 measles deaths are sorted as to the who, before the why, that they were not immunized. Were they the wicked anti-vaxxers, the millions of hidden unvaccinated and undocumented “visitors” or were they the unvaccinated Black population that remembered how the U.S. government had deceived their relatives decades earlier? Until ‘you’ engage fully with those 3 subgroups of the unvaccinated and determine the WHO of those deaths, you can’t possibly work on the ‘why’ until you learn the who.
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